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Best RB: Adrian Peterson - If it wasn't for him being hurt through a good part of the season, he'd have been up for the Heisman again.

Overrated RB: Jamaal Charles - No offense to the Longhorn fans, but I think you'll see teams gunning for him this coming year now that Vince Young is gone. I know for a fact that the reason Charles had so many yards against us was because we were keying in on VY and I'm sure the same thing happend with a lot of their opponents. Look for a sophomore slump for JC. Also considered Steve Slaton (WVU) and Thomas Brown (GA)

Underrated RB: Darius Walker - ND wouldn't have won all the games that they would have without him. One of the VERY few backs that put up solid rushing numbers against our D last year. Solid little runner that I wish would have committed to OSU over ND a few years ago. That said though, you could really take your pick here between Albert Young (Iowa), Antonio Pittman, Garrett Wolfe (NIU) and Tyrell Sutton (NW) for an underrated back (funny how most are in the Big 10...)
 
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I simply cannot agree that Walker is underrated. In fact, considering the pub he's getting in preseason mags, I'd put him in the overrated category, or certainly on the cusp of it.

He's a decent back, don't get me wrong. But he's also not the back he's being made out to be. Likewise, take Quinn and the passing game out of that offense (as you are willing to do with Charles at Texas) and ask yourself how good Walker would be.

I admit I was more than a little surprised at his performance in the Fiesta, he is a patient runner and seems to play within his limitations (Which I consider to be an asset).
 
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OK, splain this to me...

Hart and Henne, guys who have had some of the best numbers in the Big 10, are overrated.

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Does that mean the Big 10 is over rated?

Does that mean that when our defense twice stopped them, it's because they weren't really very good?

If Hart and Pittman have similar numbers after a season of running against defenses from Big 10 schools, does that mean that both are over rated or only Hart? Did the other defenses play harder against Pittman than they did against Hart?
 
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cincibuck said:
OK, splain this to me...

Hart and Henne, guys who have had some of the best numbers in the Big 10, are overrated.
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First, a player who throws for 5,000 yards in a season can be overrated IF he's recieving pub like someone who threw for 10,000 in a year.

With that said, Hart put up those numbers TWO years ago and Henne has proven to be a decent/good QB BUT some put him above your Troy Smiths, Drew Stantons, Drew Tate's, etc. etc. That is something I dont agree with.

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Does that mean the Big 10 is over rated?
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That is no reflection of the Big 10 being anything. I think it's a INDIVIDUAL case by case basis.

Does that mean that when our defense twice stopped them, it's because they weren't really very good?
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Huh? It COULD mean that, or or defense was THAT much better.....maybe it was just a bad game, or two......etc. etc. Why does it have to be so cut and dry?

If Hart and Pittman have similar numbers after a season of running against defenses from Big 10 schools, does that mean that both are over rated or only Hart? Did the other defenses play harder against Pittman than they did against Hart?
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That first sentence seems to be under the premise that Hart and Pittman recieve the same amount of attention, and I VASTLY disagree. What is underachieving for one isn't necessarily going to apply to the other.
 
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Best- Peterson- To put it best, the only way I'd ever try to tackle him was by getting down real low and sticking a leg out...

over rated- Mike Heart, its simple he just isn't on the field enough and doesn't have big games when Michigan needs it.

Under rated- I'll have to go with Pittman on this because he's not mentioned ANYWHERE on the preseason Running back lists... That's just a crime for a kid who ran for 1,300 yards.
 
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cincibuck said:
OK, splain this to me...

Hart and Henne, guys who have had some of the best numbers in the Big 10, are overrated.

OK

Does that mean the Big 10 is over rated?

Does that mean that when our defense twice stopped them, it's because they weren't really very good?

If Hart and Pittman have similar numbers after a season of running against defenses from Big 10 schools, does that mean that both are over rated or only Hart? Did the other defenses play harder against Pittman than they did against Hart?
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I didn't mention Henne, but I did say that Hart was overrated. Hart is frequently mentioned as one of the top 10 returning backs in the country, and Pittman usually doesn't make those lists.

Hart only averaged 4.4 per carry last year. Of the top 42 RBs (rushing yards) in the nation last year, only 2 had averages below 4.7 per carry.

Just in the Big Ten, these are returning guys with over 5 yards per carry last year:

6.7 Ringer, MSU
6.0 Hunt, Penn St.
6.0 Pinnix, Minny (on only 78 carries)
5.9 Sutton, NW'ern
5.5 Pittman, tOSU
5.5 Sheets. Purdue
5.4 Young, Iowa
5.2 Thomas, Illinois

Hart may have been somewhat dinged up last year, but he's a full yard per carry from being in the middle of the pack for Big Ten running backs. But most national rankings place him in the top 10 RBs. That constitutes being overrated to me. That, and

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I disagree with everyone who says Hart is over-rated. The kid is a player and Michigan is a completley different team when he is healthy and is on the field.

Best- Peterson- Fast, Strong, Quick... Unreal talent
Over Rated- Steve Slaton WVU - Play someone with a defense then we will see... unfortunatley they don't play anyone with a D next year either. 1b. M. Bush -Lousiville. Ok ok he had 23 something td's but against who???

Under rated- Thomas Brown UGA. On the smaller side and splits carries with Lumpkin and Danny Ware, but the kid can take it to the house everytime he touches the ball
 
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craigblitz said:
Over Rated- Steve Slaton WVU - Play someone with a defense then we will see... unfortunatley they don't play anyone with a D next year either. 1b. M. Bush -Lousiville. Ok ok he had 23 something td's but against who???

Under rated- Thomas Brown UGA. On the smaller side and splits carries with Lumpkin and Danny Ware, but the kid can take it to the house everytime he touches the ball
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Just wondering, but does Georgia have a defense? :wink2:

Sugar Bowl for Slaton: 25 carries, 204 yds (7.8 per), and 3 TDs
 
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craigblitz said:
I disagree with everyone who says Hart is over-rated. The kid is a player and Michigan is a completley different team when he is healthy and is on the field.
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So long as Braylon Edwards is also on that field, or Michigan is playing some sister of the poor.

Cinci - Remember, this is about hype matching production. Henne isn't awful. Neither is Hart, for that matter. But, that doesn't mean they can't be overrated. Can you honestly tell me that Chad Henne looks any different today (or the last time you saw him) than he did in the Big 33 game? I can't. The kid has simply not improved at all. He hangs balls up there (Incidently, his longest completion v. OSU last year was also a hanger that MM came back to get.. should have been picked) and people talk about him as if he's a serious award contender/ All American candidate.

Long and short of it, in my view.... first impressions are lasting impressions. People remember Hart and Henne as Freshman, leading Michigan to a season that was not anticipated at the begining of the year since... well... Michigan was going to have to use a Freshman back field. Well, they did fine as Frosh... If I was a Mich fan, I'd be pleased with their Fr. performance. But, so far, it looks like that's all they got, and now that they're Jr's more is expected.
 
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Well, everyone seems to be fairly well convinced about this list, so I'll throw out a couple of different people:

Best: Pederson is hard to argue with...I don't really see anybody right now in his class.

Overrated: Albert Young, Iowa...Pittman is better in my opinion, and so are Sutton and possibly a few others...and that's just in the conference. He isn't a bad player, I just really don't think he's all that special, and he did squat against us or FLorida, an failed to score TDs in any of their major games.

Underrated: Jerome Harrison, Washington State...I know the Pac-10 isn't reputed for its defenses, but 1900 yards and 6.2 a pop in a BCS conference is awfully good. He put at least 100 up every game, including 147 at USC and 162 at Cal.


As for Hart, Michigan is way better with him in there...but I still don't think he's all that great, so I guess I'm in the middle on him.
 
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Bucklion said:
Underrated: Jerome Harrison, Washington State...I know the Pac-10 isn't reputed for its defenses, but 1900 yards and 6.2 a pop in a BCS conference is awfully good. He put at least 100 up every game, including 147 at USC and 162 at Cal.
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I think this is current college players only... Harrison went to the Browns in the 5th round in this years draft.
 
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