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MililaniBuckeye said:
However, his production is a direct result of the efficiency of the offensive line.
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Normally but not always...

There are always backs like B Sanders who will get his numbers regardless of the OL performance. Then again, as mentioned earlier, the Broncos have been able to plug anyone into their system and the OL domination gets them 1000 for the year.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
However, his production is a direct result of the efficiency of the offensive line.
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Unless you're name is Barry Sanders. This is why I do not think there has ever been a better running back. I almost wonder if he would have had the same success having blockers. He almost seemed to enjoy having to dance around 4 defenders in teh backfield and then weave thru 5 more on his way to the end zone.
 
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1. "Quickness"- Not necessarily burning speed. I want a guy who runs a fast 7-yard dash to the hole.

2. Elusiveness. The ability to fake out a tackler, or at least make sure they never get a totally clean hit on you.

3. Balance. The ability to always land on your feet, no matter how you get twisted or turned.

4. Heart (guts). A guy that just refuses to be defeated, a guy who just keeps getting up and playing the game. No matter how big he is, he fears no one.

Give me a guy with these attributes, and even if he is only about 5'8" tall and weighs about 182 lbs, I'll gurantee you that he'll win me 2 Heisman Trophies. Oh, thats right, he did already.
 
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itcdbuck said:
Importance for a RB to be successful.

40 time
great vision
great balance
tackle breaking ability
great O-line

I don't know exactly how I'd rate them ... but the one thing that I think is probably least important , is often times the one most heavily relied on .. but I think that is because it is the only one that can be quantified !
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1. great o-line
2. vision
3. balance
4. tackle breaking ability
5. 40 time

line - give me 5 orlando pace's and ill run for 1k yrds per year. i can count the number of rb's i have seen that could make things happen regardless of their lines ability on one hand. odds are your not one of them.
vision - can't hit the hole you can't see.
balance - can't hit the hole you can't get to.
tackle breaking ability - you saw the hole, you hit the hole, and now someone is gonna hit you. do something about it.
40 time - i don't care how fast you are, if you can't make it past the line of scrimmage you are worthless.
 
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martinss01 said:
1. great o-line
2. vision
3. balance
4. tackle breaking ability
5. 40 time

line - give me 5 orlando pace's and ill run for 1k yrds per year. i can count the number of rb's i have seen that could make things happen regardless of their lines ability on one hand. odds are your not one of them.
vision - can't hit the hole you can't see.
balance - can't hit the hole you can't get to.
tackle breaking ability - you saw the hole, you hit the hole, and now someone is gonna hit you. do something about it.
40 time - i don't care how fast you are, if you can't make it past the line of scrimmage you are worthless.
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With five Orlando Pace's you'd only get paid about $50/yard, because that offensive line would consume 90% of the teams salary cap.


Oh, you speaking hypothetically. Nevermind my previous statement then. :biggrin:
 
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martinss01 said:
1. great o-line
2. vision
3. balance
4. tackle breaking ability
5. 40 time

line - give me 5 orlando pace's and ill run for 1k yrds per year. i can count the number of rb's i have seen that could make things happen regardless of their lines ability on one hand. odds are your not one of them.
vision - can't hit the hole you can't see.
balance - can't hit the hole you can't get to.
tackle breaking ability - you saw the hole, you hit the hole, and now someone is gonna hit you. do something about it.
40 time - i don't care how fast you are, if you can't make it past the line of scrimmage you are worthless.
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martinss, couldn't agree more with that list.......
 
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Nice topic. Here's my list:

1. vision
2. quickness
3. elusiveness
4. toughness
5. character (just think about #45 vs #13 on this one)
6. balance
7. speed
8. strength

Ball security is a great point, but it's almost a given, you can't play if you're going to fumble once per game. And the O-line is more of a team-success item, as is the offensive scheme. But if I had to jam O-line into the list in order to answer the question, I'd place it between quickness and elusiveness.
 
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I think this is very interesting and dead on. Which is why all the talk early last week of MoCs possibly jumping to the first day of the draft based on coming to the combine in shape, then his 40 times and people talking about him maybe not being drafted is ridiculous. It is also why it was dumb of him to walk out on the rest of the workouts.

On the football field, MoC had all the other elements talked about here, even if he is proving his speed is not up to snuff. Some GM with half a brain and a coach who can whip him into shape is going to take MoC in round 6 or 7 and get himself a ProBowl running back, IMO. As much as I hate the things he has done.
 
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How important is the O-line?

Many people have already brought up the Emmitt -Barry comparison. But I'll try and stir the pot a little bit here with two questions.

1. How good would Emmitt have been if he was running behind the Lions O-Line for twelve years?

2. How many more yards would Barry have gotten if he had been running behind the Dallas O-line for 12 years?

I think the O-line is very important to a running backs production. And since greatness is often defined by production, put two and two together and I think O-line is the most important factor.

Obviously Barry Sanders was able to overcome a mediocre line to put up big numbers year after year. What were his biggest attributes? I think they were vision and illusiveness.

So I guess in conclusion my top three are:

1. O-line (heart)
2. Vision (heart)
3. Illusiveness (heart)

I don't really feel like thinking about it any further than that so I'll say the rest are tied for fourth place. :wink2:

Oh and heart is also a good one but that's really hard to put a value on. Heart contributes to so many things, off season training, pushing for that extra yard and so on. So I guess I'd put heart in parenthesis next to each one. In fact I'll do that now.

That's my two cents.
 
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1. Vision
2. Speed, specifically acceleration.
3. Balance
4. O-line
5. Tackle breaking ability

A great o-line and schemes can make an average back seem great. Denver cranks out 1000+ yard rushers year after year. I too think the 40 is overrated. Acceleration, once the great vision has seen something, is more important IMO.
 
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