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If you ban him from the hall..go head and take out everyone...Sooner or later people will just believe steroids are used by almost everyone..Think about it. Your competition is loaded up on everything under the sun and killing you ( no matter what sport). I highly doubt your gonna sit and cry about how much bigger,stronger and faster he is.

I honestly believe a lot of people assume steroids do everything for you...Swing the bat..make you grow (without a decent diet) or anything along those lines. It's a lot easier to use steroids as a scapegoat for everything under the sun,because the majority of people have little to no knowledge about them.

Steroids don't work miracles. Genetics and ability go a long ass way before anything else will. Hell Arnold should have just came over and played every sport..Totally dominated because he was on winstrol too!!!...

For every guy most people see and say "he's on steroids" there's a lot more smaller guys that just aren't as noticeable. I don't think many people would look at Rafeal and think...now there's a damn steroid user.The only difference between these guys and everyone else is they are just getting caught.

The use is there in every sport...NFL,MLB,NBA and NCAA....When people think steroid tests...They don't think about undetectable compounds or detection times...Just because someone isn't getting caught doesn't mean hes not on...It means he's just working the system.
 
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osugrad21 said:
Does that mean Gaylord Perry should be purged from the HOF since he has admitted cheating?
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No, the fact that he is named Gaylord is a much better argument for exclusion.

BTW, this is the second time "Powerlifter" has come on full-boar in defense of the juice. Easy, big fella....
 
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Steroids don't work miracles. Genetics and ability go a long ass way before anything else will
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This is very true, they will not work miracles. Steroids will not make you or I a major leaguer. What they will do though is help us be better athletes than we were before. They will help us be bigger, stronger, faster(specific effects will depend on the type we take) However,in Raffy's case, he allready had the genetics that would allow him to make the majors. Steriods helped to make him one of the all time greats. Maybe in Alex Sanchez's case they helped him make the leap from the minors to the bigs. Bottom line is, if they did nothing, then people wouldn't take them. Never, Ever, Period.
 
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For the players who used and didn't get caught because baseball did not have a testing policy, well I don't see how you can exclude them from the hall (ie suspected users like Bonds, Big Mac). Now anyone who follows baseball knows that certain cheating has been tolerated for years (ie doctoring the baseball, pinetar, certain drugs just to name a few) but, the problem with steriods is simple, it is looked upon has a major threat to this country's youth, true or untrue that is how it is being perceived.

Steriods make a good athlete, a great athlete. It allows you to recover faster and in baseball this is a distinct advantage when you play a night game and then the next day turn around and play a early day game. Especially for older players.
 
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osugrad21 said:
Does that mean Gaylord Perry should be purged from the HOF since he has admitted cheating?
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Yep I think he should go. If you admit to cheating or there is proof of it then you have no place up with the greats. Of course there will be a few who cheat and make it and no one ever will know, but ignorance is bliss isn't it?
 
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HUNT VALLEY, Md. -- Calling steroid use "cheating" and a "black cloud" hanging over Major League Baseball, former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken said he was dismayed Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for a performance-enhancing substance and was suspended.



Speaking Tuesday at a media event for next month's Constellation Energy Classic, the Champions Tour golf event for which he is honorary chairman, Ripken said he was "shocked, surprised, just like everyone else. I hope there's a reason or an explanation."



Ripken, who played with Palmeiro from 1994 to 1998, said he was in the Bahamas when he learned his former teammate -- only the fourth player in major-league history with 3,000 hits and 500 home runs -- received a 10-day suspension after testing positive for steroids.



"I don't want to think it's true. I'm in a state of denial," Ripken said.



Ripken, who will become eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame in 2007, said he understands why fans are upset and why they assume everyone who puts up big numbers is on steroids.



"That's the result of the black cloud on baseball," Ripken said. "Until it's rid of steroids, people are naturally going to think that."



He retired from the Baltimore Orioles in 2001 after a 20-year career that included a record 2,632 consecutive games. Nowadays, Ripken devotes much of his time to Ripken Baseball Inc., which promotes the sport and teaches young players.



While worrying that young people might opt to emulate star athletes and use steroids, Ripken said recent events present a good opportunity to talk to kids and answer questions about steroid use.



He said he mostly relied on a protein-rich diet that featured chicken and PowerBars during his playing days, but there was a time he cheated. As a youth, he said, he was so consumed by winning, even at card games, he would sneakily deal himself extra cards. But he said he learned from that.



"Ultimately, at the end of the day, you couldn't say you were better than the other person because you knew you had a secret," he said. "You knew you had cheated."
 
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And you thought you have heard it all:

Fiend might have spiked Palmeiro's Viagra

By Dan Moffett

Palm Beach Post Editorial Writer

Sunday, August 07, 2005

Scientists have known for decades that anabolic steroids can cause cancer and damage vital organs. But it was only recently that the medical community learned the scope of the danger. It now appears steroids also are capable of damaging that part of the brain where excuses and cover stories are developed.

This explains the behavior of Rafael Palmeiro, the future Hall of Famer for baseball's Baltimore Orioles who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs then offered the excuse that he didn't know how they got into his body. "I did not do this intentionally or knowingly," he said.

<!--endtext-->Skeptics would argue that this is a good excuse for victims of date-rape drugs but not so good for muscular athletes who get caught using steroids. Not taking steroids intentionally or knowingly is a lot like not skydiving intentionally or knowingly. Mr. Palmeiro's assertion raises some troubling possibilities.

Perhaps the worst is that the purity of the nation's supply of Viagra may have been compromised, and millions of males could be polluting themselves with steroids in their quest for inter-relational superstardom.

First baseman also a pitcher

Pfizer Inc. hired Mr. Palmeiro as a spokesman for Viagra, believing he was a credible witness for the drug and also macho enough to sell it confidently. His commercials were the new millennium's version of pro athletes' light beer ads from the 1970s. Average guys felt OK about using performance-enhancing Viagra — in the same way they felt OK about drinking wimpy beer — because the pros were doing it.

The assumption is that Mr. Palmeiro knowingly and intentionally took Viagra, which opens the possibility that he may have unknowingly and unintentionally ingested steroids if some Pfizer chemist pulled the wrong lever at the factory.

Finding other plausible explanations for the steroids in Mr. Palmeiro's system takes some doing. Of course, you worry about those salad bars on road trips. And who knows where that pine-tar rag has been? It could be that rivalry in the American League has grown so intense that a ballplayer can't sleep in his hotel room without worrying that someone's going to break in and intentionally and knowingly inject him in the night, or elsewhere.

Mr. Palmeiro's career as a high-priced huckster is in jeopardy. His credibility is somewhere below the Mendoza Line now. Americans watched him testify before Congress this year and swear that he took no banned drugs: "I have never used steroids. Period." He should revise his remarks. He meant to say: "I have never used steroids. Question mark."

The Palmeiro defense

Probably the greatest danger for society as a whole is what will happen if Mr. Palmeiro's defense gains popularity. Bank robbers will claim they never intentionally or knowingly demanded money. Husbands will claim they never intentionally or knowingly cheated on their wives. Karl Rove will claim he never intentionally or knowingly outed CIA agents. Corrupt CEOs will say they never intentionally or knowingly drained millions from their corporations. Come to think of it, this is already happening.

The Palmeiro story goes a long way toward validating the famous quote by Santayana — a clutch-hitting philosopher — that ballplayers who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Mr. Palmeiro reportedly tested positive for stanozolol. Its most famous abuser until now was Ben Johnson, the Canadian sprinter who was stripped of his gold medal in the 1988 Seoul Olympics after flunking his post-race test.

"I have never, ever knowingly taken illegal drugs," he said at first, before admitting there was an incident involving a hypodermic needle while he was mooning his doctor in St. Kitts.

We could use more help from Santayana to determine exactly what human beings are capable of doing knowingly. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made some good points a couple years ago when he talked about Iraq and said "There are known knowns, there are things we know we know... There are known unknowns... There are also unknown unknowns."

Mr. Palmeiro's defense seems to be that he didn't knowingly know about the unknown unknowns. At least, not intentionally.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2005/08/07/a1e_moffettcol_0807.html
 
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Rafael Palmeiro reportedly told a three-member baseball arbitration panel that a teammate gave him a substance that might be responsible for his positive steroid test, a source told the Baltimore Sun.

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A second source told the Sun that Palmeiro named the teammate when he presented his defense when appealing his suspension. However, a source told the newspaper that while he told the panel that he had received a substance from a teammate, he didn't make the case that the substance in question caused his positive test result.

The House Committee on Government Reform is investigating whether Palmeiro's statements to the panel have merit, the Sun reported, by interviewing people, including members of the Orioles such as Palmeiro himself and the team's head trainer, Richie Bancells.

Bancells confirmed to the newspaper that he had spoken to the committee.
The baseball arbitration panel denied Palmeiro's appeal, saying he failed to establish the positive test result was not his fault.

Baseball suspended Palmeiro for 10 days and the House committee is now examining arbitration hearing transcripts to determine whether Palmeiro lied to Congress when he testified he had never taken steroids.

Palmeiro stood by his statements to Congress, saying he didn't know what caused the test result.

Earlier this month, the Baltimore Sun reported that the House committee is uncertain whether there is enough evidence to refer the case to the Justice Department. However, the committee is considering several other options.
One scenario, officials familiar with the situation told the Sun, has the committee making the documents pertaining to Palmeiro's case public. The committee received the documents related to the first baseman's positive steroid test from Major League Baseball on Aug. 12. A document release could happen in the next two weeks and would allow the public to decide for itself about Palmeiro.

The documents include the results of Palmeiro's tests, the tests' dates and the record of secret proceedings before a three-member arbitration panel after Palmeiro appealed the results. The appeal was denied, and the documents would show how Palmeiro defended himself while not offering an explanation as to how the steroid entered his system.

The committee has also not ruled out sending the case to the Justice Department, which could bring a perjury charge against Palmeiro. But the Sun reported that that option is less likely than others because of the difficulty of proving Palmeiro had knowingly used the drug when he appeared before Congress.

Palmeiro said that he would never take a performance-enhancing substance intentionally after he tested positive for the steroid stanozolol. However, experts have said that is is unlikely stanozolol could have entered his system by accident. Palmeiro said he won't comment publicly on the matter until Congress finishes its review.

A congressional source familiar with the committee's work, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said several active players have spoken or will speak with the committee. That source would not identify who was interviewed.

But Colorado Rockies outfielder Jorge Piedra told The Associated Press that he spoke on the phone with the committee. He said investigators contacted him through his agent about a week ago, found out "all they wanted to know" in a matter of minutes and didn't plan to contact him again.

Piedra, the second player publicly identified under the sport's new steroid rules when he was suspended for 10 days in April, said the committee "had a few questions and I just answered them honestly."

"I told them I didn't have anything to do with Palmeiro," Piedra said after the Rockies played the Padres in Denver. "We only worked out a few times together."

The congressional source indicated that all the players asked to talk to the committee recently were chosen because they have relationships with Palmeiro -- such as teammates or workout partners -- and could have knowledge about whether he might have used steroids before his testimony.
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Palmeiro said substance he received from Tejada might have caused positive test</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER width="1" type="block" height="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer
September 23, 2005
NEW YORK (AP) -- Rafael Palmeiro cited a vitamin he received from Baltimore Orioles teammate Miguel Tejada as possibly causing the positive test for steroid use that led to the first baseman's suspension.

Tejada dismissed the assertion made by Palmeiro as implausible.
Palmeiro said he received vitamin B-12 from Tejada, a person familiar with Palmeiro's unsuccessful grievance hearing to overturn the suspension said Thursday on condition of anonymity because the proceedings were secret.

``Right now I'm in shock,'' Tejada, a former American League MVP, said after Baltimore lost to the New York Yankees on Thursday night.


``I've never given anybody steroids before,'' he said. ``I've been checked out three times already, and I'm clean. I've been clean all my life.''

Tejada said he gave Palmeiro the B-12 injection ``a long time ago.''

``It doesn't bother me because I'm not guilty. I've done nothing wrong. I just gave him B-12, and B-12 is legal,'' Tejada said. ``You don't get caught for B-12.''

Vitamin B-12 helps maintain healthy nerve cells and red blood cells, and is commonly found in foods such as fish, meat, poultry and dairy products.
Palmeiro has not publicly discussed details of the testimony he gave during a grievance filed by the players' association to overturn his 10-day suspension, which followed a positive test for stanozolol. He testified before the House Government Reform Committee last March that he never used steroids and was interviewed by congressional investigators following the Aug. 1 announcement on his penalty.

His lawyers, Mayer, Brown, Rowe and Maw LLP, issued a statement Thursday night saying they ``are disturbed about the misleading reports being leaked by unnamed sources who claim knowledge of the investigation.''

``Rafael Palmeiro has never implicated any player in the intentional use or distribution of steroids, or any other illegal substance, in any interview or testimony,'' the statement said.

According to the person familiar with the investigation, Palmeiro listed the B-12 as a possible reason for the positive test but did not make any definitive accusation.

Before Thursday's 7-6 loss, Orioles interim manager Sam Perlozzo was asked about Thursday's report in The (Baltimore) Sun that the first baseman had named a teammate in trying to explain his steroid test.

``If in fact that was true, then it probably would not be a good idea'' for Palmeiro to return, Perlozzo said. ``It's all speculation as far as I know.''
Palmeiro went 2-for-26 with one RBI after his return from the suspension, and was sent home by Baltimore on Sept. 5 for rehabilitation on his right knee and left ankle.

``I know that he still would like to come back,'' Perlozzo said. ``He doesn't want to be a distraction and all that. I pretty much told him that as far as I was concerned, it was an organizational decision.''

Orioles executive vice president Jim Beattie said no decision would be made until Friday at the earliest.

``We're talking to Raffy right now about that,'' Beattie said in a telephone interview, saying he didn't want to ``comment on hearsay.''

Perlozzo didn't discuss with Palmeiro what he may or may not have told the panel. ``I did not ask him,'' he said. ``I didn't think that was my job.''

Palmeiro's situation is complicated, so Perlozzo wanted the front office to make the decision.

``A lot of things factor in,'' he said. ``Is he going to play or is he not going to play? How much is he going to play? And is it worthwhile to take that chance?''

Arn Tellem, Palmeiro's agent, did not return a telephone call seeking comment. House Government Reform Committee spokesman Dave Marin declined comment.

Baseball has not said when the positive test occurred.
Palmeiro, who turns 41 on Saturday, is batting .266 with 18 homers and 60 RBIs. He got his 3,000th hit on July 15, joining Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers. Palmeiro's 569 homers rank him ninth on the career list.
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