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I was one island over, on Youwannameetmyseester.
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My vote was also screwed up. I only voted for 10 people, and left Quinn out of my top 10 to see what happens, and they still listed my ballet with 20 people and Quinn at the number 1.
My guess would be that they just have the results labeled wrong and that those are the overall votes?
My guess would be that they just have the results labeled wrong and that those are the overall votes?
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6/14
Top offensive difference-makers
posted: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 | Feedback
In keeping with Todd McShay's and Mel Kiper's skill position rankings, I figured it made sense to trot out a list of top offensive difference-makers, which I want to point out doesn't necessarily equate to best Heisman candidates. The difference -- as I see it -- is certain external factors also play into the shaping of a Heisman race: For starters, exposure if crucial, coupled with the fact that freshmen and sophomores simply don't have as good a chance. But, yes there is a lot of crossover. (Note to Penn State and Clemson fans, this is just OFFENSIVE guys, so hold off on the "Where was Gaines Adams?" or "That Penn State honk who edits you at ESPN The Mag must really have gotten under your skin to slight Pos like that," e-mails.)
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB: I'm still not set to come out with a preseason top 20, but OSU has been my leader for the top spot ever since the Fiesta Bowl, and Smith is the biggest reason. There's nothing really prototypical about him, but it has been refreshing to see how he has matured during his time in Columbus. Smith's toughness and dynamic game-breaking style now permeates a program that had previously gotten its identity from the gritty, A.J. Hawk-inspired defense. Forget that Smith probably won't throw for 3,000 yards; focus instead on the stress he puts on a rival defense and the big, backbreaking plays he delivers in the clutch.
2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, QB: If he can make 1/10 the improvement from what he did last year, the Irish just might run the table. He was outstanding in '05, and from reading Pat Forde's story about him last month, it sounds like he is coping with the hype just fine.
My hunch is that if Quinn jumped to the NFL, he would've been the first QB taken. I'm not sure how low ND would be in the preseason polls without him. I'm guessing out of the top 10 and somewhere around 15. (That high because there is a growing feeling that Charlie Weis could turn almost anyone into a good QB, and the Irish still have plenty of weapons back on offense.)
3. Sidney Rice, South Carolina, WR: Not sure how long The Ball Coach can keep Rice from the NFL, but SEC fans should enjoy him while he's around. He's special. Over the second half of last season, Rice became one of college football's true dominant forces. Without him, I doubt South Carolina wins more than four games last season. Not bad for a freshman debut.
4. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, RB: I feel like many people have forgotten how fantastic Peterson was as a true freshman in 2004. But he's healthy again, so don't be surprised if he makes another Heisman run. The Sooners' O-line is really green, but Peterson's still the heart of OU football. He makes life for emerging quarterback Rhett Bomar and his young wideouts so much easier. With Peterson hobbled for much of last season, the Sooners really struggled. As we get closer to kickoff, expect Oklahoma to start surfacing as one of those trendy picks to win it all this year.
5. Patrick White, West Virginia, QB: Nobody had ever heard of him till around Halloween, but ask Georgia (or anyone who watched the Sugar Bowl) how dynamic he is. White makes everything go for West Virginia's revamped spread. He made dramatic game-to-game improvement last season and displayed outstanding leadership skills. Mountaineers O-coordinator Calvin Magee called him the greatest natural leader he'd ever been around. Who did White bump from the top spot in Magee's mind? Steve Young, his old teammate with the Buccaneers. That's heady stuff.
6. Kenny Irons, Auburn, RB: The Tigers lost two first-round tailbacks (Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams) from the previous year and they still led the SEC in scoring and finished second in rushing offense. All because Irons emerged. The challenge will be doing it without all of the Tigers' talented wideouts who have moved on to the NFL. I don't think it will be much of an issue for Auburn.
7. Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, RB: Pound-for-pound the best player in college football. The 5-foot-7, 175-pounder rushed for almost 1,600 yards, despite missing three games last season. And don't say, "Well, he's just a mid-major guy feasting on inferior defenses." Wolfe did all he could last season keeping NIU in the game against both Michigan and Northwestern (both road games) by rushing for 393 yards and averaging almost 8 yards per rush. Keep an eye on him when NIU visits Ohio State early this season.
8. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech, WR: He was unstoppable against Miami, and he puts up staggering numbers despite getting so much focus from the defense and playing with arguably the country's most inconsistent QB, Reggie Ball. With a ridiculous size-speed ratio and amazing jumping ability, Johnson has top-10 pick written all over him. The downside: He has to keep battling when things aren't happening for him. His performance against Utah in Tech's wretched bowl effort -- in which Eric Weddle had him almost the entire game -- dropped Johnson down about five spots on this list.
9. Drew Stanton, Michigan State, QB: I'm not sure he's the best Drew in the Big Ten, but Stanton doesn't have anywhere near the talent around him either at tailback or on the O-line to work with. Still, halfway through the season, he had Michigan State as high as No. 11 before the Spartans' season fell apart. If he gets injured this season, John L. Smith might not be coaching the Spartans in 2007. I guess that truly defines a difference-maker.
10. Mike Hart, Michigan, RB: Why did the Wolverines, who some were touting as a preseason national title pick in 2005, completely flop? Start with the injury to Hart. Without him, Michigan and QB Chad Henne looked completely lost.
Just Missed the Cut: Darren McFadden, Arkansas, TB; Drew Tate, Iowa, QB; Brian Brohm, Louisville, QB; Joe Thomas, Wisconsin, LT; Marshawn Lynch, Cal, RB; Dwayne Jarrett, USC, WR.
6/14
Top offensive difference-makers
posted: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 | Feedback
In keeping with Todd McShay's and Mel Kiper's skill position rankings, I figured it made sense to trot out a list of top offensive difference-makers, which I want to point out doesn't necessarily equate to best Heisman candidates. The difference -- as I see it -- is certain external factors also play into the shaping of a Heisman race: For starters, exposure if crucial, coupled with the fact that freshmen and sophomores simply don't have as good a chance. But, yes there is a lot of crossover. (Note to Penn State and Clemson fans, this is just OFFENSIVE guys, so hold off on the "Where was Gaines Adams?" or "That Penn State honk who edits you at ESPN The Mag must really have gotten under your skin to slight Pos like that," e-mails.)
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB: I'm still not set to come out with a preseason top 20, but OSU has been my leader for the top spot ever since the Fiesta Bowl, and Smith is the biggest reason. There's nothing really prototypical about him, but it has been refreshing to see how he has matured during his time in Columbus. Smith's toughness and dynamic game-breaking style now permeates a program that had previously gotten its identity from the gritty, A.J. Hawk-inspired defense. Forget that Smith probably won't throw for 3,000 yards; focus instead on the stress he puts on a rival defense and the big, backbreaking plays he delivers in the clutch.
2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, QB: If he can make 1/10 the improvement from what he did last year, the Irish just might run the table. He was outstanding in '05, and from reading Pat Forde's story about him last month, it sounds like he is coping with the hype just fine.
My hunch is that if Quinn jumped to the NFL, he would've been the first QB taken. I'm not sure how low ND would be in the preseason polls without him. I'm guessing out of the top 10 and somewhere around 15. (That high because there is a growing feeling that Charlie Weis could turn almost anyone into a good QB, and the Irish still have plenty of weapons back on offense.)
3. Sidney Rice, South Carolina, WR: Not sure how long The Ball Coach can keep Rice from the NFL, but SEC fans should enjoy him while he's around. He's special. Over the second half of last season, Rice became one of college football's true dominant forces. Without him, I doubt South Carolina wins more than four games last season. Not bad for a freshman debut.
4. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma, RB: I feel like many people have forgotten how fantastic Peterson was as a true freshman in 2004. But he's healthy again, so don't be surprised if he makes another Heisman run. The Sooners' O-line is really green, but Peterson's still the heart of OU football. He makes life for emerging quarterback Rhett Bomar and his young wideouts so much easier. With Peterson hobbled for much of last season, the Sooners really struggled. As we get closer to kickoff, expect Oklahoma to start surfacing as one of those trendy picks to win it all this year.
5. Patrick White, West Virginia, QB: Nobody had ever heard of him till around Halloween, but ask Georgia (or anyone who watched the Sugar Bowl) how dynamic he is. White makes everything go for West Virginia's revamped spread. He made dramatic game-to-game improvement last season and displayed outstanding leadership skills. Mountaineers O-coordinator Calvin Magee called him the greatest natural leader he'd ever been around. Who did White bump from the top spot in Magee's mind? Steve Young, his old teammate with the Buccaneers. That's heady stuff.
6. Kenny Irons, Auburn, RB: The Tigers lost two first-round tailbacks (Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams) from the previous year and they still led the SEC in scoring and finished second in rushing offense. All because Irons emerged. The challenge will be doing it without all of the Tigers' talented wideouts who have moved on to the NFL. I don't think it will be much of an issue for Auburn.
7. Garrett Wolfe, Northern Illinois, RB: Pound-for-pound the best player in college football. The 5-foot-7, 175-pounder rushed for almost 1,600 yards, despite missing three games last season. And don't say, "Well, he's just a mid-major guy feasting on inferior defenses." Wolfe did all he could last season keeping NIU in the game against both Michigan and Northwestern (both road games) by rushing for 393 yards and averaging almost 8 yards per rush. Keep an eye on him when NIU visits Ohio State early this season.
8. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech, WR: He was unstoppable against Miami, and he puts up staggering numbers despite getting so much focus from the defense and playing with arguably the country's most inconsistent QB, Reggie Ball. With a ridiculous size-speed ratio and amazing jumping ability, Johnson has top-10 pick written all over him. The downside: He has to keep battling when things aren't happening for him. His performance against Utah in Tech's wretched bowl effort -- in which Eric Weddle had him almost the entire game -- dropped Johnson down about five spots on this list.
9. Drew Stanton, Michigan State, QB: I'm not sure he's the best Drew in the Big Ten, but Stanton doesn't have anywhere near the talent around him either at tailback or on the O-line to work with. Still, halfway through the season, he had Michigan State as high as No. 11 before the Spartans' season fell apart. If he gets injured this season, John L. Smith might not be coaching the Spartans in 2007. I guess that truly defines a difference-maker.
10. Mike Hart, Michigan, RB: Why did the Wolverines, who some were touting as a preseason national title pick in 2005, completely flop? Start with the injury to Hart. Without him, Michigan and QB Chad Henne looked completely lost.
Just Missed the Cut: Darren McFadden, Arkansas, TB; Drew Tate, Iowa, QB; Brian Brohm, Louisville, QB; Joe Thomas, Wisconsin, LT; Marshawn Lynch, Cal, RB; Dwayne Jarrett, USC, WR.
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jimotis4heisman
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looks like some of you guys might have been a little harsh on gforce.
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Nice to see Troy at the top but Ginn should have been on there. He can change the complextion of a game just as much, if not more than Smith. Either way still happy to see Troy getting plenty of love.
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Not really. G-Force was initially yakking like no force in the universe could stop Wolfe...he's since toned it down considerably.
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