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QB Kirk Herbstreit (Frosted Quips)

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JCOSU86 said:
Isn't your avatar of a famous Youngtown politician?
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Ah yes Mr Trafficant (never knew he was from Youngstown)... Mainly centered around his willingness to call the other congressman out for being hypocrites for convicting him of doing what they all do. Also some of his speeches are outstanding...
 
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I will give Herbie props for taking to task playoff committee members that would hold the Bucks loss to VaTech against them. He really did pull for tOSU quite hard.

Kirk is kind of like the Darth Vader to tOSU... he might say and do some terrible things - but I have every belief that this guy is still in there somewhere.


 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
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Oh sure you did! I equate it with playing Russian Roulette in that you have a 1 in 6 chance of getting robbed or worse and that'll make even the most exciting lives over the top awesome!

As for Herbie, I think he's a buckeye through and through. Yes, sometimes he sucks the corporate (SEC) dick but his job is to be objective not to scream O-H-I-O on the air. While he goes overboard sometimes I understand why he does that because to everyone else besides buckeye nation it gives them a really deep belief that he is objective. Sometimes I do the same when I am talking football with other fan bases as well and I'm sure you guys do too.

I'm sure it's not always "oh we are biggest faster and stronger than you... O-H!!!" It isn't always so blinded by my biased toward OSU and I'm sure he's doing the same.

For example, I though osu was 50/50 against Bama and I thought they were the more talented team. I thought they would run the ball on us and I was afraid of Henry going off but that doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan.

Back to Herbie- If he picks Oregon this week to beat us then I retract all of this but I don't think he will. I have a feeling he will be brining some of his family onto the set with the OSU gear again.
 
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I don't care who Herbie picks. He's not Mark May about it. And he doesn't have to pick OSU in every game. I care when he's derisive towards the program or the Midwest, in general. It was fairly blatant and over-the-top for a while there. Since Urban arrived, he has never been short of praise for Ohio State. Total 180. That leads me to believe that much of his behavior was due to some sort of feud with Tressel - and, since I have nothing but love for Tressel, I still resent a lot of what Herbie said during those years. I doubt I will ever get over it.

One thing that has remained a constant, however, is his dick-sucking of the SEC. It's the kind of sick fellatio you couldn't sell to even the most perverted Japanese porn director. And did it ever get exposed this year.
 
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OH10 said:
I don't care who Herbie picks. He's not Mark May about it. And he doesn't have to pick OSU in every game. I care when he's derisive towards the program or the Midwest, in general. It was fairly blatant and over-the-top for a while there. Since Urban arrived, he has never been short of praise for Ohio State. Total 180. That leads me to believe that much of his behavior was due to some sort of feud with Tressel - and, since I have nothing but love for Tressel, I still resent a lot of what Herbie said during those years. I doubt I will ever get over it.

One thing that has remained a constant, however, is his dick-sucking of the SEC. It's the kind of sick fellatio you couldn't sell to even the most perverted Japanese porn director. And did it ever get exposed this year.
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He's dead to me after his behavior during tat gate which, as we all know, included naming names of kids that weren't even involved (Brewster/Fields). The sickening part was that he NEVER apologized for it. Eff him forever.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I will give Herbie props for taking to task playoff committee members that would hold the Bucks loss to VaTech against them. He really did pull for tOSU quite hard.

Kirk is kind of like the Darth Vader to tOSU... he might say and do some terrible things - but I have every belief that this guy is still in there somewhere.


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Here is an alternative interpretation.

Perhaps it is just me, but is it not possible that ESPiN feared that TCU or Baylor would not bring the numbers, in the stadium or especially on TV. Perhaps Kirk shouted to get the largest fanbase in the country into the playoffs, rather than for his alma mater.

What I remember is that he spent the last few years shouting that playing in the B1G was no better than playing in the MAC. He threw Ohio State under the bus the minute that Miller was injured (link). He put Ohio State into his final four and then almost immediately dropped them after the TSUN game, when Barrett was injured (link). After the Wisconsin blowout, what choice did he really have except to put Ohio State in?

I do not really see much of a courageous fight. I took some interest when he finally called the SEC for scheduling lower division teams before their big games late in the season. But when he explained that a huge part of his problem was that it left him no games to talk about, I realized nothing had changed. I hope to goodness that Urban Meyer will keep him away from the Buckeyes.

So, fighting hard for Ohio State? Not much evidence of that from him in a long time. Even if there is compelling evidence that he argued for Ohio State, it would not reveal his motivation.

To me, it would be much more believable that he was fighting for ESPiN advertising revenues, not for Ohio State. After all, TCU and Baylor do not have fanbases that compare to Ohio State and no fans travel better than Ohio State. Last year, attendance for Baylor's bowl appearance was down about 10% compared to the prior year. Clemson and Ohio State filled the Orange Bowl last year. Look at these television audience figures (link), and the commercial rationale for Kirk's behavior is quite easy to identify.

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You can bet that Herbstreit will be flying his scarlet and gray colors now and jumping up and down on the sidelines, just so long as there is someone there to photograph him and he can try to leverage that into some insider coverage.

Kirk knows exactly which side he's supporting...his own.
 
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MaxBuck said:
This is absolutely true, but I can't blame him for it.

Others are free to hate the guy (and you all have good reasons for doing so, won't argue with you there). I just don't. Don't love the guy either, but he's done more as a Buckeye and for tOSU than most of us.
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And a lot more against OSU than any of us combined.
 
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MaxBuck said:
This is absolutely true, but I can't blame him for it.

Others are free to hate the guy (and you all have good reasons for doing so, won't argue with you there). I just don't. Don't love the guy either, but he's done more as a Buckeye and for tOSU than most of us.
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While the above bolded is true, he has also done more to harm tOSU to further his own agenda (which is to further himself) without showing any remorse than most if not all of us. That is the part many are unwilling to forget.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
And a lot more against OSU than any of us combined.
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See, this is where I disagree.

You have the idea that Herbie's bloviating about "not sending your kids to Ohio State" has damaged the Buckeyes team.

So tell me, what teams in the entire NCAA Division 1 have better records since he came out with that nonsense? More to the point, how many top-drawer quarterbacks do we currently have on roster?

I don't think whatever Herbstreit says affects our recruiting very much at all. But the checks he writes to The Ohio State University unquestionably help the school. So I think you're entirely wrong in what you said here.
 
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MaxBuck said:
See, this is where I disagree.

You have the idea that Herbie's bloviating about "not sending your kids to Ohio State" has damaged the Buckeyes team.

So tell me, what teams in the entire NCAA Division 1 have better records since he came out with that nonsense? More to the point, how many top-drawer quarterbacks do we currently have on roster?

I don't think whatever Herbstreit says affects our recruiting very much at all. But the checks he writes to The Ohio State University unquestionably help the school. So I think you're entirely wrong in what you said here.
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That doesn't refute the idea that he hurt this school...especially when the peak of his idiocy went back to the early to mid 2000s. Who knows what recruits we lost out on because of his nonsense. The damage he would have done isn't something you can physically see. If you want to think him being an ass clown hasn't damaged anything, that's ok....but the current roster and the records aren't proof of that.
 
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I have nothing against Herbstreit playing the field for his own advantage. My problem is that he cloaks that in a false loyalty to the Buckeyes when it suits him. It doesn't matter that he does or does not donate funds to OSU.

If I felt that his protestations in recent years were fair and balanced, I would have no problem.

If that were the case, of course, we would have heard a lot more righteous indignation about the player autographed goods for sale in the SEC and ACC this year. He would have been making a big deal about Missori losing to a B1G bottom-feeder (as we know he would have if Wisconsin had lost to the SEC bottom feeder). When Mississippi, Missouri, and South Carolina were exposed, we'd have heard a lot from him. Well, we didn't, ostensibly because that was not in his interest.

It's a bit like when he donated his house to the Upper Arlington Fire Department and then sued the IRS for the deduction. Turns out that the IRS disallowed the donation of the house because it did not include the land, which apparently was sold. If the buyer wanted the dwelling demolished, was it a donation, or did Kirk expect the taxpayer to pay for his demolition? It doesn't matter that some similar deals were allowed in prior years, although it appears that they also donated the property. He takes the moral high road, so what is right?
 
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