QB Kirk ‘Nightmare On’ Herbstreit (Frosted Quips, Afraid of THE Lunatic Fringe)

[TexasBuck]

I was at the game so I can't say what the announcers said beforehand or during the game. I do remember watching some of the post game wrap up where some ass-bag on ESPIN (Trev Alberts or Mark May I believe) was calling for the firing of Andy Geiger.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I was at the game so I can't say what the announcers said beforehand or during the game. I do remember watching some of the post game wrap up where some ass-bag on ESPIN (Trev Alberts or Mark May I believe) was calling for the firing of Andy Geiger.

I distinctly remember May saying "Jim Tressel should be fired" My memory was that remark came at half time, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said it in the post game too.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

That's interesting, because I remember very little of that telecast besides the second half rant. Ohio State was blowing Okla. St. out of the building, and so with the game all but decided early in the second half, the announcers launched into the attack. It was your basic blowout game move--cut away to video of the announcers in the booth carrying on a conversation, interrupted only by seconds here and there in which they'd cut back to video of the game just to show the current play, and then cut right back to video of the announcers in the booth, who basically continued their conversation without discussing at all what was going on on the field.

I don't remember any of this. Perhaps that's because I was in the stands at the Alamodome screaming my lungs out every time Teddy Ballgame touched the ball.

Sorry that you guys watching on tv have such unpleasant memories of such an awesome game. :(

 

[jlb1705]

I have a couple of thoughts about ESPN playing up the off field transgressions. The program DID have a problem with them during JT's first few years. I think this was due to a combination of two things: some bad eggs that Cooper brought in to try and keep his job and JT just not being fully prepared with some of the duties involved in running a big time program.

To say that we didn't have off-field issues, classroom issues or a poor apr in the beginning is to bury one's head in the sand. Take it for what it's worth, but there were serious questions being raised in the corridors of power whether JT (NC or not) was right for the job. Needless to say, Geiger and Holbrook made the right decision in giving him time to put his stamp on the program. JT grew into the management aspects of running the program and the proof lies in the absence of Fulmer Cup points, increased grad rates, percentage of the team maintaining a 3.0 and--for the last two years--one of the top 10 aprs on the country.

How much of this was Tressel and how much of it was Conley?

 

[BUCKYLE]

I have a couple of thoughts about ESPN playing up the off field transgressions. The program DID have a problem with them during JT's first few years. I think this was due to a combination of two things: some bad eggs that Cooper brought in to try and keep his job and JT just not being fully prepared with some of the duties involved in running a big time program.

To say that we didn't have off-field issues, classroom issues or a poor apr in the beginning is to bury one's head in the sand. Take it for what it's worth, but there were serious questions being raised in the corridors of power whether JT (NC or not) was right for the job. Needless to say, Geiger and Holbrook made the right decision in giving him time to put his stamp on the program. JT grew into the management aspects of running the program and the proof lies in the absence of Fulmer Cup points, increased grad rates, percentage of the team maintaining a 3.0 and--for the last two years--one of the top 10 aprs on the country.

So, ESPN wasn't completely groundless in hyping what was "wrong" at Ohio State. They may have been unfair and biased to hype it over problems at other programs (their beloved at the time USC springs immediately to mind). My problem with them is where the [censored] are the positive stories about the program (and JT) turning things around.

I may not expect this to come from [Mark May] or Craig James, but I certainly would expect Herbstreit to talk about this. The fact that not only does he not do so but seems to be almost looking to jump on the negative train at the slightest shred of evidence is unforgivable. I've never expected him to shill the program, but he could talk about the positives, particularly in light of espn's mid-decade hyping of everything that went wrong. That he won't means that Ken Doll is dead to me as a Buckeye, and using his kids as self-serving props when gameday is in Columbus does not negate his larger sins against the program and the university.

JT didn't "grow into" shit. He handled the transgressions in the exact same manner he did at YSU and continues to do today. Maybe peoples perception of tOSU changed as his values and expectations took hold of the program, but that's their issue, not JT's.

Anyone that watched that game on tv and doesn't remember what ESPN did, wasn't paying attention. It was pure horseshit from beginning to end.

 

[jwinslow]

Anyone that watched that game on tv and doesn't remember what ESPN did, wasn't paying attention. It was pure horseshit from beginning to end.

The most objectionable part was their disrespect to the other OSU.

They FINALLY mounted their first promising drive of the entire half, and ESPN was too busy conducting a talk show to switch back to the action for one of the plays. Missing live action is inexcusable, particularly when you are not on a commercial break and weren't caught by surprise.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Anyone that watched that game on tv and doesn't remember what ESPN did, wasn't paying attention. It was pure horseshit from beginning to end.

The most objectionable part was their disrespect to the other OSU.

They FINALLY mounted their first promising drive of the entire half, and ESPN was too busy conducting a talk show to switch back to the action for one of the plays. Missing live action is inexcusable, particularly when you are not on a commercial break and weren't caught by surprise.

This and this.

ESPiN spent 3.5 hours smearing OSU with the vigor of Herbstreit fellating Pete Carrol in a Rose Bowl.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

JT didn't "grow into" [Mark May]. He handled the transgressions in the exact same manner he did at YSU and continues to do today. Maybe peoples perception of tOSU changed as his values and expectations took hold of the program, but that's their issue, not JT's.

Anyone that watched that game on tv and doesn't remember what ESPN did, wasn't paying attention. It was pure horse[Mark May] from beginning to end.

The only people's perceptions that i care about are those in Bricker Hall, and they saw it differently. Anyone who didn't notice the arrests, poor grad rates and borderline apr in jt's first few years wasn't paying attention. Whether he just needed a couple of years for his methods to take effect or needed to adapt tbose methods to a new environment, I really don't care. He deserves a world of credit for turning it around. It saved his job.

My original point is that it would be nice to hear Ken Doll talk about that turnaround as much as he talked about the problems.

 

[BB73]

The most objectionable part was their disrespect to the other OSU.

They FINALLY mounted their first promising drive of the entire half, and ESPN was too busy conducting a talk show to switch back to the action for one of the plays. Missing live action is inexcusable, particularly when you are not on a commercial break and weren't caught by surprise.

I'm shocked that any Buckeye fan that listened to the broadcast of that game would think that missing a play by the opponent was more 'objectionable' than the constant negativity and program assassination diatribe that was directed at the Buckeyes during the course of that game.

I think Tirico is a decent announcer, but I'll never forgive him for the all of the crap he spewed tOSU's way that night. He wasn't the only one - but he was the play-by-play guy that was more concerned about hammering the program than talking about what was happening on the field.

I'm also shocked that some long-time posters don't recall just how badly that broadcast's coverage was slanted against the tOSU program that night. (Those at the AlamoDome excluded, of course).

 

[pianobuck46]

I distinctly remember May saying "Jim Tressel should be fired" My memory was that remark came at half time, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said it in the post game too.

I remember that as well.......Tirico & May served as a Tressel-bashing tag team. Herbstreit's contribution to the debate was nodding and mumuring "mm-hmm"...........his usual reaction to Ohio State trash talk.


:gobucks3::osu2::gobucks4:

 

[muffler dragon]

Anyone that watched that game on tv and doesn't remember what ESPN did, wasn't paying attention. It was pure horse[Mark May] from beginning to end.

Guilty. Mea culpa.

I'm also shocked that some long-time posters don't recall just how badly that broadcast's coverage was slanted against the tOSU program that night. (Those at the AlamoDome excluded, of course).

For all I know, it was the simple demolition of Okie State that kept me from paying attention, but I just didn't remember it.

I guess I'll have to download the torrent to get the full effect.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm shocked that any Buckeye fan that listened to the broadcast of that game would think that missing a play by the opponent was more 'objectionable' than the constant negativity and program assassination diatribe that was directed at the Buckeyes during the course of that game.

They aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Obviously I hated the vitriol just like the rest, but it wasn't just scripted propaganda, it was hateful blather that erased the contest itself.

Their crusade wasn't just unfair, it was so overboard that they weren't even broadcasting the game like they were supposed to do.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Missing live action is inexcusable, particularly when you are not on a commercial break and weren't caught by surprise.

Worldwide Leader, brah.

 

[MaxBuck]

I'm sorry everyone here is so pissed off at ESPN. Because I try to just focus on what games they broadcast, and man do they do a great job with camera work, sideline features, etc.

Those who wish to focus their attention on the gasbags in the announcing booth are free to do so, of course, but if you don't mind I'll just watch the games.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm sorry everyone here is so pissed off at ________

Because I try to just focus on what games they broadcast, and man do they do a great job with camera work, sideline features, etc.

Those who wish to focus their attention on the gasbags in the announcing booth are free to do so, of course, but if you don't mind I'll just watch the games.

So you listen to the infrequent sideline commentary, but we're foolish to listen to the guys who talk 99% of the time. Got it.