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QB Kenny "the old righty" Guiton (WR Coach Wisconsin)

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Oh8ch;2011520; said:
I don't care if it is a tight spiral so long as it comes down somewhere on the field of play.

If he can run bring him on.
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I think it was Mike Leach (on his radio show), but I might be wrong, who said that a tight spiral is the most overrated quality a quarterback can have. If he throws a wobbly pass, and it still gets to the open receiver at the right time, who cares?

I guess it's like the golfer who hits the worm-burner shot off the cart-path, skips off the rock, off the tree branch, and onto the green. It doesn't matter how you get to the green - just get there. But I'd put my money on the guy who consistently hits the 180-yard beautiful 5-iron shot onto the green to win the match. Based on aerodynamics, the tight spiral should be more accurate and faster than the wobbler.
 
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New backup quarterback?

Senior Joe Bauserman may have lost his job as OSU's backup quarterback. Fickell hinted that redshirt sophomore Kenny Guiton may have passed Bauserman and would enter a game if anything happens to freshman starter Braxton Miller.

"It just depends on what the situation is, but you know, I think Kenny (Guiton) probably has taken a few more reps last week than Joe (Bauserman)," Fickell said.
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http://www.thelantern.com/sports/qu...-ohio-state-s-bye-week-1.2653868#.Tp6-iLLZeuI
 
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Zurp;2012119; said:
I think it was Mike Leach (on his radio show), but I might be wrong, who said that a tight spiral is the most overrated quality a quarterback can have. If he throws a wobbly pass, and it still gets to the open receiver at the right time, who cares?

I guess it's like the golfer who hits the worm-burner shot off the cart-path, skips off the rock, off the tree branch, and onto the green. It doesn't matter how you get to the green - just get there. But I'd put my money on the guy who consistently hits the 180-yard beautiful 5-iron shot onto the green to win the match. Based on aerodynamics, the tight spiral should be more accurate and faster than the wobbler.
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I agree with this to an extent. Playing as a receiver, it is easier to catch a tight spiral because you can "see" it into your hands more easily. The wobbler can and should be caught, but it is more random in how you have to catch it, and it takes a second off your route or after catch time in that you have to handle the ball.

My experience, anyway. It may not be true for the true athletes.

Still, the less focus you need to put on the ball, the more seamless things are, the better. Think about the focus you need to not realize you may be about to get nailed and still think only of the catch. When the throw is "predictable" it really helps. The only time I was knocked unconscious it was from somebody else focusing too: someone on my own team that nailed me as we both went for a wobbler. I just am not so sure I agree with Leach here. . .
 
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Zurp;2012119; said:
I think it was Mike Leach (on his radio show), but I might be wrong, who said that a tight spiral is the most overrated quality a quarterback can have. If he throws a wobbly pass, and it still gets to the open receiver at the right time, who cares?

I guess it's like the golfer who hits the worm-burner shot off the cart-path, skips off the rock, off the tree branch, and onto the green. It doesn't matter how you get to the green - just get there. But I'd put my money on the guy who consistently hits the 180-yard beautiful 5-iron shot onto the green to win the match. Based on aerodynamics, the tight spiral should be more accurate and faster than the wobbler.
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5-iron 180 yards? It's more like 210 yards......Maybe you meant 7-iron 180 yards.:lift:
 
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kinch;2016039; said:
I just am not so sure I agree with Leach here. . .
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Not that he's the smartest or best guy who's ever coached college football, but I'm going to have to take his word for it for the moment. Again, common sense tells me that the tight spiral SHOULD be better, and SHOULD be easier to catch, but the guy did get some really good numbers out of a few quarterbacks who haven't done anything since. Yeah, I know about the whole "system quarterback" argument. My point is that he must know something about something. Or something. I think if the quarterback gets the ball to the receiver, and the receiver is good enough to have a scholarship at an FBS school, he ought to be able to catch the ball, no matter how the wobble wobbles. (Easy for me to say...)

NINJA BUCK13;2016053; said:
5-iron 180 yards? It's more like 210 yards......Maybe you meant 7-iron 180 yards.:lift:
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Ok. I'm happy when my 7-iron shot gets off the ground more than 10 yards.

MaxBuck;2016056; said:
Some of those throws Joe B put into A-deck were beautiful, tight, speedy spirals.
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I'd take the wobbly passes that the receiver catches over one of Joe's passes into the stands any day. Of course, I'd rather have Joe pass into the stands than have the wrong team catch the ball.
 
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kinch;2016039; said:
I agree with this to an extent. Playing as a receiver, it is easier to catch a tight spiral because you can "see" it into your hands more easily. The wobbler can and should be caught, but it is more random in how you have to catch it, and it takes a second off your route or after catch time in that you have to handle the ball.

My experience, anyway. It may not be true for the true athletes.

Still, the less focus you need to put on the ball, the more seamless things are, the better. Think about the focus you need to not realize you may be about to get nailed and still think only of the catch. When the throw is "predictable" it really helps. The only time I was knocked unconscious it was from somebody else focusing too: someone on my own team that nailed me as we both went for a wobbler. I just am not so sure I agree with Leach here. . .
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Exactly. It really does make a difference if the balls spiraling or not. Whenever you hear a receiver say "He throws a very catch-able ball", this is what they're referring to. Trying to catch a wobbler is tough, especially if they're thrown really hard. There's just a much bigger chance that the wide side of the football could hit one of your palms, and that could result in a drop. The nose of the ball should fit right in between the "triangle" you make with your hands. Of course not every pass is going to be perfect, but it does make a difference.
 
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Brandon26841;2016881; said:
Exactly. It really does make a difference if the balls spiraling or not. Whenever you hear a receiver say "He throws a very catch-able ball", this is what they're referring to. Trying to catch a wobbler is tough, especially if they're thrown really hard. There's just a much bigger chance that the wide side of the football could hit one of your palms, and that could result in a drop. The nose of the ball should fit right in between the "triangle" you make with your hands. Of course not every pass is going to be perfect, but it does make a difference.
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A catchable ball also has to do with touch. For instance, QB throws a rocket on a 5 yard crossing route. Spiral or not, probably not a very catchable ball.
 
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MUBuck;2016886; said:
A catchable ball also has to do with touch. For instance, QB throws a rocket on a 5 yard crossing route. Spiral or not, probably not a very catchable ball.
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Very true. I was a TE in high-school and whenever I ran a Y-shallow (like 3 yards off the LOS) my QB would FIRE that damn thing in there, and it was pretty hard to catch and it always annoyed the hell of me. Pryor had a big problem with this.
 
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Brandon26841;2016881; said:
Exactly. It really does make a difference if the balls spiraling or not. Whenever you hear a receiver say "He throws a very catch-able ball", this is what they're referring to. Trying to catch a wobbler is tough, especially if they're thrown really hard. There's just a much bigger chance that the wide side of the football could hit one of your palms, and that could result in a drop. The nose of the ball should fit right in between the "triangle" you make with your hands. Of course not every pass is going to be perfect, but it does make a difference.
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You described this better.

It is a matter of the ball just sort of sliding into your hands, while you are in the position you want and know what you are doing next, versus having to focus on the ball entirely. I know you are always supposed to do that, but with "rhythm" you can just let it come to you and go if it is a good tight spiral.
 
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE7mLOQ_SsY"]Kenny Guiton - Ohio State Football - March 31, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlzIhja_b0Q"]OSU QB Kenny Guiton talks start of spring football - YouTube[/ame]
 
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