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QB Justin Zwick (B1G Champion, National Champion)

It's an interesting story. Why does he feel the need to pile on Zwick to the extent that he does? Justin Zwick rule? Zwick seems like a good guy from what I can tell, and he doesn't deserve that kind of infamy.

This reeks of revisionist history. How about instead of calling it the Justin Zwick rule, they call it the Tom Lemming rule? Blame the hype machine (of which Elite 11 is an important cog), and let Justin Zwick finish his career as a Buckeye in peace. I respect him a lot for sticking with the team after losing the starting gig. He could've transferred out - like any number of QBs from Florida or Florida State who lose their starting gig.

Besides, Zwick is one snap away to getting the keys to the offense, and if that happened (god forbid), he's good enough and would be surrounded by enough weapons make this guy look like an even bigger jackass.
 
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Regardless of how badly he may have performed at the Elite 11 and how much we may feel he hasn't met expectations here, he's still been a class act and a true Buckeye. Keep in mind all the recruiting he did for us after he committed, and how he gutted it out in the Alamo Bowl after pulling his hamstring (and how he detonated that Okie State lineman on Ginn's reverse-field run).
 
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That's right, Mili. Regardless of whether or not he attempts another pass in his career, he has an important legacy witht the Buckeyes. His commitment was the first piece of positive momentum for the program in the Tressel era following a couple mediocre seasons, program turmoil, late season disappointments, and an embarrassing showing in the Outback Bowl. "Experts" thought the Buckeyes were reaching in hiring a coach from I-AA. Zwick lent credibility to a football program that was in bad need of something positive, and you could argue that his decision to come to Ohio State was almost as important as the decision to hire Jim Tressel.
 
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This reeks of revisionist history. How about instead of calling it the Justin Zwick rule, they call it the Tom Lemming rule? Blame the hype machine .

actually, I think Lemming in his chat sessions on ESPN used to say that Zwick was a product of the "Ohio hype machine" and that he didn't think he would be as great as Ohio-philes were predicting. Lemming got this one right unfortunately.
 
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actually, I think Lemming in his chat sessions on ESPN used to say that Zwick was a product of the "Ohio hype machine" and that he didn't think he would be as great as Ohio-philes were predicting. Lemming got this one right unfortunately.

Tom lemming hates anything that isnt blue or gold. Someone seriously needs to make a fark of him and charlie weis in bed that would be great.
 
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actually, I think Lemming in his chat sessions on ESPN used to say that Zwick was a product of the "Ohio hype machine" and that he didn't think he would be as great as Ohio-philes were predicting. Lemming got this one right unfortunately.
I stand corrected - but only slightly. I used the name Tom Lemming more for his reputation for touting prospects that he has never actually seen, rather than his actual opinion of Justin Zwick as a recruit. The guy said that Elite 11 was not gonna be taking any prospects to their prestigious camp without seeing them perform - and Lemming is the reigning king of lending prestige without the benefit of seeing them perform.
 
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Justin could still be a huge contribution to this team coming up in 06. He is only one snap away from starting, so he has to be prepared. I'd wager that if Smith goes down in a big game, they will put Zwick in......simply because he's been there before.

I compare it to a baseball manager having to pinch hit in the bottom of the 9th. On one hand he has the old vet who never has shined, but is decent. On the other hand, he has the rookie......who is budding with potential, but has never been there before. I'd imagine that he'd choose the vet any day of the week.
 
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Justin could still be a huge contribution to this team coming up in 06. He is only one snap away from starting, so he has to be prepared. I'd wager that if Smith goes down in a big game, they will put Zwick in......simply because he's been there before.

I compare it to a baseball manager having to pinch hit in the bottom of the 9th. On one hand he has the old vet who never has shined, but is decent. On the other hand, he has the rookie......who is budding with potential, but has never been there before. I'd imagine that he'd choose the vet any day of the week.
I just hope that, if it happens, it's an away game. It could be very embarrassing if he came on in relief at the 'Shoe and the boo birds came out. I was pretty disgusted with the assholes at the spring game that were tearing Zwick up. What's the saying? The most popular player on the team is the <S>backup</S> third string quarterback<O:p
 
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I just hope that, if it happens, it's an away game. It could be very embarrassing if he came on in relief at the 'Shoe and the boo birds came out. I was pretty disgusted with the assholes at the spring game that were tearing Zwick up. What's the saying? The most popular player on the team is the <S>backup</S> third string quarterback<O:p

I agree. That's simply ridiculous that OSU fans would boo somebody like Justin Zwick. I agree that he came in with very high expectations and just didn't work out. Justin is still a great guy and I'm glad that he is a Buckeye. Smith is the best QB on our team but then again, he is one of the best QB's in the country.
 
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Zwick is a high caliber QB and we are very fortunate to have him. It is unfortuante for him, however, to play at the same time as Troy Smith, who has a chance this year, to finish his Buckeye career as one of, if not the best, QB to wear scarlet and gray. JMO
 
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6/29/06

Herbstreit familiar with Zwick’s plight

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There has not been a storybook feel to former Massillon Tiger Justin Zwick’s career as a quarterback at Ohio State. And few people can relate to how Zwick is feeling like former Buckeye quarterback and current ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit.

“I know he had great goals of starting for three or four years,” Herbstreit said Wednesday at a preview event for this fall’s Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge at The Golf Club at Yankee Trace in Centerville. “Coming out of a program with such great tradition (like Massillon), I’m sure he probably thought this was going to be a great opportunity for him. When you have a following and a fan base like that, it only adds to it.

“I can relate to him. In fact, I’ve talked to him about that. When I came out of Centerville, I faced a lot of the same obstacles.”

Zwick has gone from starting the first six games of his redshirt sophomore season in 2003 to battling for the backup role as the Buckeyes prepare for the 2006 campaign, which will be his senior season. In the interim, the former Tiger has watched as injuries and the emergence of fellow senior Troy Smith has derailed the optimism which surrounded his arrival in 2002.

That’s where Herbstreit, who still resides in Columbus despite his ESPN responsibilities, has tried to step in and offer some guidance.

“My advice to him has been to,” Herbstreit said, “instead of becoming bitter about the situation, try to embrace the situation and make the most of it, because as a 22-year-old, you probably don’t see the big picture. What I’ve tried to share with him is, after surviving that, here I am with a life after football.

“There’s a lot to be learned there about perserverance and continuing to work hard and not give up. I really think you’re going to see a pretty positive kid. It takes a special person to be positive through all that negativity. I think he’s going to be pretty positive this year.”

In 17 games played as a Buckeye, Zwick has completed 144-of-253 passes for 1,592 yards, with seven touchdowns and seven interceptions. He has had momentous highs, such has a 318-yard, three-touchdown showing against Marshall in 2004, but also devastating lows like 73- and 74-yard passing games against North Carolina State and Iowa, respectively, in that same season.

That roller-coaster of highs and lows was contrary to what Ohio State and Tiger fans expected.

“Anytime you’re a quarterback of that stature and you’re coming out of a program like that,” Herbstreit said, “with the media, the Internet, the recruiting guides, when you get that kind of hype, there’s a lot of pressure.

I’m not saying he didn’t live up to it. He’s still in my mind a very effective quarterback. You think about what he did in the Oklahoma State game, the opportunities they had last year if Ryan Hamby catches that pass (in the end zone against Texas).”

Which is why Herbstreit hasn’t given up on Zwick holding an important role with the Buckeyes in his final season in Columbus.

“I think you’ll see him right in the mix this year with adjustments,” Herbstreit said. “That’s the thing he tried to do last year. When Troy would come over to the sidelines, he was right there to help. That sends a message to the fans that Justin is in there emotionally and is not just mailing it in. He’s actually out there participating and is as involved as much as possible.”

And, considering the fact Smith has yet to play a full season either, Herbstreit doesn’t quite think No. 12 has taken his final meaningful snap in a Buckeye uniform.

“The type of system that Ohio State runs, he can’t be concered about what could have been,” Herbstreit said. “He needs to be worried about being ready if Troy gets hurt or if Troy isn’t performing, that he’s the guy coach (Jim) Tressel wants to put in and not one of the young guys.
“There’s a natural feeling that, ‘Well, Troy’s a senior and Justin’s a senior, these young kids, let’s try to get them some reps.’ He has to be careful and make sure he’s locked in and having good preparation, because he’ll become the guy if Troy does get hurt.”
 
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At some point, before fall practice opens, I wanted to make a post about how impressed I have been with Justin Zwick. Now is as good a time as any.

First, my confession. I was one of the many who hoped Justin Zwick would eventually become the leader of this team. It did not happen (and I'll have a parallel post on how impressed I've been with Troy Smith). This is Troy's team, no question about it.

Justin could have sulked--he didn't. He could have transferred--he didn't. He could have expressed disgruntlement, sown seeds of dissension, or could have gone lazy. He didn't do any of that. Instead, he is out there every day making himself better, his team better, and Troy Smith better.

S&C Coach Lichter says there is no harder working position group than the QBs. There is no doubt in my mind that tOSU has the best four-deep in the nation at QB. In garbage time, we will need to give some reps to Boeckman and Schoenhoft. But if Troy goes down while the game is live, there is no one I'd rather have coming off the bench than Justin Zwick.

He is a true Buckeye, through and through. And, I'll bet dollars to donuts, that he will make an NFL roster.
:osu:
 
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