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QB Joe Germaine (Rose Bowl MVP, B1G OPOY, B1G MVP)

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Yeah, JaxBuck has it dead-on. You can make a great argument for JG, considering that he and Hoying own every passing record in the OSU record book.

That being said, I agree with Tibs. Not that Joe G was overrated, but that CK was better. Look at CK's record over the last 2+ years of his career. Tough to beat that one.
 
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JG vs. CK.....I don't know. A lot of things have to be considered into this.
I tend to agree with FKA that JG didn't have the horses around him and I'm not just referring to Rb's and Wr's. Can we even take defenses into consideration? You put the 2002 defense and the coaching staff and philosophy on the field with JG's offense and that team could've been much more effective than the actual 2002 NC team.
If it wasn't for that freakin' ridiculous loss to MSU then JG would have been wearing a NC ring as well. I still say they were the best team in the nation that year.
I'd give the edge to Joe. Simply based on pure passing ability. The kid was at times damn special.
 
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Joe G. had the intangible quality of inspiring faith and hope in our hearts. Often he delivered, sometimes he did not. I must say that I have been startled that he has not done better in the pros than he has.
Go Bucks!
 
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ashland: "I tend to agree with FKA that JG didn't have the horses around him and I'm not just referring to Rb's and Wr's."

I disagree. Germaine's Offensive Line was way better than what CK had in his time here. Also, JG had Boston (the best WR by the numbers in OSU history). And as far as defense is concerned, other than the DL, the '98 Buckeyes had as much talent as the '02 Bucks. Not to mention the '96 and '97 squads that were also loaded.

Plus, CK had MoC for (almost) a season, and Jonathan Wells for the first three games of his career. Pearson and Wiley were way better than Ross and Hall in CK's Senior year by a country mile.

If you compare the offensive personnel that Germaine had to what CK had, its not even close. JG wins by a country mile.

"You put the 2002 defense and the coaching staff and philosophy on the field with JG's offense and that team could've been much more effective than the actual 2002 NC team."

You hit it on the head here. CK's coaching staff was 100% better than what JG had. However, the guy who recruited JG, Walt Harris, was the best QB Coach that OSU's ever had.

"I'd give the edge to Joe. Simply based on pure passing ability."

I give Ck the edge because he got it done. However, I can't argue stats. JG wins hands down. JG had 8 300+ yard passing games in his OSU career. CK had 0.
 
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I was referring mostly to the defensive side of the ball and coaching Philosophy.
The '96 and '97 squads may have had some talent but philosophies were not the same on either side of the ball and that can make a huge difference.
When I get a chance, I'll get some stats and compare the '96 defensive numbers to the '02 squads. That would be interesting.
CK really benefited from JT's ball control, conservative approach to a football game, ie, field position, great kicking and not turning the ball over.
In 2002 the Bucks continually had great field postion because of a dominating defense and kicking game. This made CK all that much more effective.
I think JG would've made the 2002 offense more prolific simply due to his ability to throw the ball more effectively. He couldn't have run as effectively as CK but I'll still take a more accurate passer over a more effective runner in the QB position.
Also, as I said before, the only thing that kept JG from a NC ring was a stupid, stinking loss to MSU that was no fault of his.
 
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You guys thought that '98 team didn't have the horses of the '02 team? I thought the '98 team was a great team that doesn't get its due because of one quarter of pure fluke. Other than that one anomolous quarter, they crushed everyone, and I have no doubt that they could go toe-to-toe with any of the great teams of recent years. They had the horses, and then some. And JG was a big part of that. He wasn't the only one who went into the tank for one terrible quarter. He was one of the big horses that made that team exceptional.
 
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Germaine was the best QB for 3 years and kept his mouth shut when coop sat him in order to keep team chemistry from boiling over. How many others would have done that quitely? I will take Joe on my team anyday. I heard he was practicing with the Chargers, anyone else hear that?
 
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Germaine was a fantastic QB, but I will not hold him above Doss. Doss brought a nasty streak to the defense. Sure he got smoked from time to time in coverage, but always seemed to come up big in the big games (easy on the Purdue references too fellas.....:) ). That is what sticks out in my mind.
 
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daddyphatsacs: "Germaine was a fantastic QB, but I will not hold him above Doss."

Again, I agree/disagree. Doss was a three time AA, and Germaine wasn't. Doss won a National Title, and Germaine didn't. But, I think you can make a good argument either way. Germaine (by the numbers) is the best QB in OSU history. That has to say a lot for something.
 
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Its obvious to me that Joe Germaine would hold virtually all of the OSU passing records if he had started all three years, that being said he did struggle against Scum but in no way did he struggle alone, also he is not overated, if anything he wasnt given his props while he was here because after he left we were stuck with blowesorry (ouch...bad memories)

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bucknuts44820: "Its obvious to me that Joe Germaine would hold virtually all of the OSU passing records if he had started all three years"

He does virtually hold all the passing records, even splitting time with Jackson his first two years.
 
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Fact is both were flat out warriors. I have never seen a QB stand in there and take the punishment Joe did against FlaSt and gut it out best he could. There aren't many that could have taken what he did and stayed in the game. Doss got to deliver the blows and was a great player but having to stand there and take it trying to give your team a better chance to win by waiting until the last second takes major stones.
 
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