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Proposed NBA Age Limit - min 2 yrs

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It will be interesting to see if kids that need money will decide to go to Europe for 2 years to get paid to play.

For 1 year it wasn't worth it, but for 2 years it might become a real possibility for kids.
 
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Piney;1133861; said:
It will be interesting to see if kids that need money will decide to go to Europe for 2 years to get paid to play.

For 1 year it wasn't worth it, but for 2 years it might become a real possibility for kids.
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Good point Piney, I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder though what the scouting system is like for the European teams/leagues.

I think that KK's situation is a little different than most HS kids because of his Greek ties. I'm not sure how it would work out for some 18 year old kid from the "projects" who has only travelled the AAU circuits to pick up and go to France (or wherever) to play ball.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1133840; said:
Most of the baseball players are getting payed peanuts, unless they are the high level draft picks...NBA franchises are pouring out lots of money to kids that aren't ready for the NBA...

Doctors can't get payed right out high school...They gotta do a bunch of schooling...Engineers, pharmacists...The list goes on...

It is up to the employer to make the decision and if you don't like it find a new profession...

There are plenty of insurance policies out there and most injuries are very returnable from today...
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1. I agree they spend a lot of money on kids that aren't ready, or never would have been ready. However, that's no reason to deny other people the opportunity to earn a living because some teams are horrible at scouting or player development.

2. Doctors, engineers, pharmacists etc... NEED an education and they NEED on the job experience before they can do their profession. There is no NEED for an NBA player to have a degree, or even to have two years of college experience. It's just an arbitrary number thrown out there by the NCAA and NBA.

As for the NFL argument. The NFL's argument in those lawsuits was that safety was a primary concern for the age limit. However, with the NBA, there is no safety concern.

I do think it will improve college basketball, and might improve the NBA(I don't think it will have that profound an effect on the quality of the league. there will still be a draft every year with the same number of players taken, so roster spots are still going to be eaten up by lots of rookies and second year players). However, I don't think that's a good reason to enact this rule.
 
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Napoleonbuck;1133895; said:
1. I agree they spend a lot of money on kids that aren't ready, or never would have been ready. However, that's no reason to deny other people the opportunity to earn a living because some teams are horrible at scouting or player development.
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Thus a great reason for the rule...You avoid these types of situations and you can really find out who is ready...People thought Kwame Brown was something as he was taken #1 overall...We see how that worked out...

2. Doctors, engineers, pharmacists etc... NEED an education and they NEED on the job experience before they can do their profession. There is no NEED for an NBA player to have a degree, or even to have two years of college experience. It's just an arbitrary number thrown out there by the NCAA and NBA.
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Some Doctors, engineers are more ready than others, and could join the field before others, and before their education is up...4 year education is an arbitrary number thrown out there too...

As for the NFL argument. The NFL's argument in those lawsuits was that safety was a primary concern for the age limit. However, with the NBA, there is no safety concern.
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There is a minor difference because more guys are ready earlier for the NBA than the NFL, but there are guys that are ready for the NFL as frosh and sophomores...What do you say about them...

I do think it will improve college basketball, and might improve the NBA(I don't think it will have that profound an effect on the quality of the league. there will still be a draft every year with the same number of players taken, so roster spots are still going to be eaten up by lots of rookies and second year players). However, I don't think that's a good reason to enact this rule.
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Why is something that will improve two businesses not a good reason to enact a rule...I don't understand that...

The rule will help the NBA because the cream of the crop will rise to the top after two years of basketball and you will have guys more mature and seasoned for the game...

You telling me that if Brandon Roy comes out of high school that he is still in the league...Instead he was seasoned in college and is an all-star...What about DWade...

Now look at Cook last year...Can he play in the NBA...Yeah, would he of been able to play at a higher level next year and not be sitting on an NBA bench for most of the year...Heck yeah...

You also are going to have guys playing at a higher level in college with more talent and it is going to help guys become more ready for the NBA...

Of course you have LBJ, Kobe, Garnett, etc that were ready to contribute right away, but still they were more ready two years down the road than they were right out of high school...
 
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I think if this becomes reality that there will be debate on both sides but the reality is that just like the NFL....the NBA can set their own rules, it is a league.....you have to be drafted to play in the NBA, it is not a right.....this is a win win for both the NBA and NCAA.

The way Matta recruits, it is a huge win if it becomes reality down the road. :biggrin:
 
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IMHO, one of the good things about sports is that it gets a lot of kids exposure to education they wouldn't otherwise get.
For a lot of these kids, 50% of their peers don't graduate from high school. And the only reason they graduate is that they want to play bb in college and maybe NBA.
LBJ or KG could have gone pro out of 10th grade.
The exposure they get to college is a good thing and it also has an impact on the attitude of their peers.
The more of them that graduate from college, even when the course of study is weak, the better.
 
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Piney;1133861; said:
It will be interesting to see if kids that need money will decide to go to Europe for 2 years to get paid to play.

For 1 year it wasn't worth it, but for 2 years it might become a real possibility for kids.
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I've known a lot of guys who have played in Europe but they played at some level of college. I don't know that those teams would take an American kid right out of HS. They really look down on our player development and lack of fundamentals ie they are not real big fans of streetball.
 
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I differ a little from what some have said. While I believe a two-year rule is certainly better than a one-year rule, I would like to see it be more like the baseball rule where the kid can sign right out of high school but if he enters college I am pretty sure that he must stay for at least three years. There are always exceptions regarding kids being ready right out of high school such as Lebron, Bryant, and KG and others. There Is no sense to make that type of kid go to college even for one year. It is not going to do him any good to go to school for one year, and you can be probably even say two years, if they really don't want a college education. They will just study enough to stay eligible and, possibly, staying for one year or two might lead to more academic scandal otherwise known as cheating. I think making a kid stay for three years or giving him the option to go right out of high school would be best for the kid.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1133728; said:
Awaiting the first lawsuit...
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MoC went there and did that....the precedent has been set. Not to mention the age limits in place for jobs like cops, firefighters,etc....

This is really a win-win for everyone involved, except for for maybe 6 or 7 HS kids a year, who will still have their futures pretty much set if they avoid knuckleheadedness

NCAA-better teams, coaches can build around a superstar for a year-kids will want to play w/ a superstar even if it is only for a year, increased fan interest-the freshmen the last two years have been awesome-who wouldn't want 2 years of Conley,Rose,Beasley,Durant,etc.

NBA-veterans who might get cut get an extra year or two of PT-the Players Association is all for this, rookies will come into the league more prepared to play and more physically mature, character issues will be aired out much better after 2 years on campus, scouts can evaluate potential much better-I wonder how Cook would have done if he knew he had to play at tOSU 2 years instead of 3

ESPN/CBS-better ratings, more cheddar

Fans-Honestly, would you rather root for LeBron as a Cav, or LeBron as a Buckeye, if the rule had been in place-no comparison

Players-Yes, some people in this thread have said this is simply letting the colleges deal w/ the immaturity of the players-but, guess what-that is what colleges have traditionally done, w/ thousands of athletes every year! Let the kids live,learn and mingle w/ their true peers in a college environment, rather than have 18 year old millionaires who can't even cook for themselves living in strange city dealing w/ agents, hustlers, and cougar groupies as opposed to an environment of their choosing, w/ dorms, a coach who cares about them as part of their program, and coeds!
 
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On ESPN the other day Bobby Knight pointed out another reason why they should go to the 2 year rule. The 1 year one rule is an "academic joke" and/or an embarrassment to the educational system. A kid only needs a D in two classes his first semester to be eligible to play ball the entire basketball season. He doesn't even need to go to class the second semester. Basically he can play basketball for one season and get "zero" education. Maintain academic eligibility for the second year would require him/her to meet significantly higher academic standards, etc.
 
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BuckeyePride;1134208; said:
some of the best players in current NBA went straight from High School

LeBron, Kobe, Garnett. Heck.. most of the top ten players in NBA today went straight from High School.
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Right, but how many of the failures came straight from High School? We all know the LeBron's of the world..
 
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Bleed S & G;1134220; said:
Right, but how many of the failures came straight from High School? We all know the LeBron's of the world..
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And even if guys like LBJ, Kobe, Garnett go to college they are still the best 10 players in the league...It is going to be the other guys that are going to help, along with helping these guys be more ready when they get to the NBA...
 
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Employers set minimum experience requirements all the time. Unions and businesses negotiate terms and conditions of employment all the time. I'm getting set to negotiate another CBA with our employees' union next month, and there will be plenty of terms and conditions of employment on the table.

I see nothing unusual about this at all. Some sports do it differently, and that's their choice. One sport doesn't obligate another to follow suit.
 
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