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Program in turmoil (maybe not)

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buckeyesin07 said:
Agreed. And for that matter, why would he be forced out? If guys who didn't produce and earn more PT are upset about that, then I applaud Thad for being honest and them choosing the door as a result. Quite frankly, it won't be that difficult to replace the three transfers.
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He shouldn't be forced out..its not like BenSimmons transferred out..none of the 3 transfers were going to be stars
 
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Crazy day. Not really sure if I should be worried or not. 80% of your most recent class transferring isn't a good look but those who are clued in are indicating that this has more to do with the players than coaching. What's crazy is that the players complaining about PT literally had no real argument. Grandstaff's inconsistent at best offense didn't make up for his awful defense for the 3 hours he was actually at Ohio State. Mitchell didn't do anything well. Trevor Thomposon, despite being inconsistent, was at least equal to Giddens defensively with a more polished offensive game. Lyle, despite his vast inconsistence, was still a better overall player than AJ Harris. Even still, all of these players had more than enough time to provide an argument for more PT and didn't.
 
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Basketball isn't like football where it can take years to "fix" a problem.
You can bring in one or two guys and change the whole dynamic.
But the whole NCAA basketball "culture" has too many players moving around for ego driven reasons and not willing to buy in to team play..
 
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A bit too crazy for my tastes. Yeah, it seems like the youngsters wanted more minutes, but with so many with freshman or sophomore eligibility, you gotta wait your turn, or be a talent. Yah, the guys had talent, but maybe not so much as they thought. Flashes of brilliance, but not too many. If I were a freshman, I'd be looking down my nose at tOSU pitch to come on board. It doesn't make sense to me, and clearly Thad or the transferees aren't talking (at least at this point). I thought the other center might move on, but not the two that were splitting the minutes. Heck we need at least two, because of the fouls committed. Still on the Thad bandwagon, but looking askance. On Sirius FM today, Rick Pizzo talking about the next year's B10 Mbball season, and even with so much firepower returning, the Buckeyes didn't get a sniff of the title next year. Don't think Gene Smith will be all over this. Maybe it's time that some assts look elsewhere? Go Bucks!
 
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Fact of the matter is that, no matter how one feels about the one and done rule, there are programs that are relevant/successful year in and year out in college basketball. MSU is great example in the BIG. One can always throw NC, Duke, and Kansas in as non BIG programs with consistent success.

When I look at losing the majority of what was considered a 10 top recruiting class in one fell swoop, I see that as a large red flag to other issues. To me it is no different than losing a host of new employees. A lot of time, effort, and dollars go into getting folks into a position to succeed. Whether these guys were this seasons top performers or not, this loss has a significant impact on the program going forward. Are they replaceable, absolutely. Very few individuals are not. I just see it as having a huge potential in setting the program back.
 
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buckeyebri said:
When I look at losing the majority of what was considered a 10 top recruiting class in one fell swoop, I see that as a large red flag to other issues. To me it is no different than losing a host of new employees. A lot of time, effort, and dollars go into getting folks into a position to succeed. Whether these guys were this seasons top performers or not, this loss has a significant impact on the program going forward. Are they replaceable, absolutely. Very few individuals are not. I just see it as having a huge potential in setting the program back.
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Understand that position. I'm in the other camp, though--I'll express concern when I see a guy who has performed on the floor and/or otherwise earned more playing time leave the program because he's not getting enough playing time. None of the four that have left fall into that category.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Understand that position. I'm in the other camp, though--I'll express concern when I see a guy who has performed on the floor and/or otherwise earned more playing time leave the program because he's not getting enough playing time. None of the four that have left fall into that category.
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I understand that thought, especially if they are not willing to work hard and earn their time. Longer term thinking tells me these guys should be the ones that are being developed in the program and would be contributing more and more throughout their career. Kind of what I expected with Thompson, Amir, etal. I see this as a gap in the program for the future. Hopefully, these guys get replaced with as capable or better players that can negate that gap.
 
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BayBuck said:
I'll admit I have also thought that Sweet-16-or-bust may be a not unreasonable expectation/ultimatum for 2016/17.
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Sweet 16 or bust can bust because of one bad game - ask Sparty. I'm far more interested in actually getting to the tournament, beating quality teams to get there, and showing the kind of effort we saw versus Kentucky on a game in, game out basis. It's not about possibly losing one game in March. It's about the months leading up to it.
 
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Jake said:
Sweet 16 or bust can bust because of one bad game - ask Sparty. I'm far more interested in actually getting to the tournament, beating quality teams to get there, and showing the kind of effort we saw versus Kentucky on a game in, game out basis. It's not about possibly losing one game in March. It's about the months leading up to it.
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That's not necessarily any different, considering how these last three lackluster seasons have also concluded with disappointing postseason runs. Generally you need to be a good team during the season to make it to the Sweet Sixteen and beyond.

Either way, at this point I'm okay with saying it really needs to be "that kind of season".
 
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NorthCoastKid said:
What's the first sport you think of when you hear the names of those schools listed above? Now apply the same test to Ohio State.

If you're holding OSU basketball to the standards of those schools, you're never going to be happy. They're CBB blue bloods. Ohio State is not.
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You seem to be suggesting our football team needs to start sucking as bad as those three schools' in order for our basketball team to do well. That makes no sense.
 
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