Now we agree. My point is that I don't think MSU took their off the gas...D'Antonio doesn't do that. MSU is probably a damn good team...I just don't think they've come close to proving themselves as the #3 team.
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at Wiscy being #6...
BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
http://collegepolltracker.com/football/pollster/scott-wolf/2016/week-4for example, there are 9 teams in the Pac 12 alone that have a better record than Ole Miss.
He moved them up to his #1 over bama and OSU after what everyone saw vs Colorado
He must just be wanting the attention
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He dropped OSU 2 spots??
Wolf has had scUM #1 since the preseason. He's a proven idiot.
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Week 3 rankings are a completely different beast than in week 6-end of season. We have no conference games, most teams are playing cupcakes minus a few (i.e. OU, Bama, FSU, OSU). If you are going to say that Ohio State should be ranked 2nd because of who they beat so far then you also have to afford that same notion to Oklahoma for who they lost to. Same can be said for Ole Miss. They were a Top 25 team that gave FSU fits and had Bama on the ropes. They aren't a scrub team, and they were beaten by 2 top 5/top 15 teams. You're kidding yourself if you don't think an OOC game where Ohio state goes into Oxford at night and beats Ole Miss wouldn't be something we would be extremely proud to have seen happen. Hell we were pumped to have crushed the reigning MAC champs.
So you would rather us reward teams with a Top 25 appearance because they scheduled 2 Sun Belt/MAC opponents and a FCS team? We talk all the time about SOS and "who gave you played". We want the best teams in the playoffs, the best tested. However you want to get rid of teams from the top 25 that have had the balls to schedule multiple Top 10 OOC opponents? Makes zero sense. You can't have it both ways.
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Holy words in my mouth. I'm just saying you don't give credit to Houston (who I love, btw....go Team Herman) for beating a top 3 team. "At the time" rankings for week one are about as worthless as you can get. What if Oklahoma loses 5 more games. Do you still tout Houston's win over #3 Oklahoma? That's something that SEC fan does.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the grading criteria changes when you are in the middle of your conference games- it has to. For all we know right now Oklahoma could go winless the rest of the season, or they could go on a tear and win the Big 12. I'm definitely not a fan of "where were they ranked when you played them" when it's week 12 - I think that's bullshit. However, when we are subject to having to have rankings in week 3, one of the things we have to do right now (now being the key word here) is rank teams based on where they were when the game is played.
This is a byproduct of preseason rankings and big time OOC match ups. If we went back to every big team playing cupcakes and winning big there would be little movement inside the top 15. Once the season starts, it also will mellow out and teams will show their salt. Right now all I know is that Oklahoma lost to 2 top 10/15 teams, as did Ole Miss. Come week 8-9-10 I'll know how players are performing and if they are 8-2 or 4-6.
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I don't agree at all. We know that Oklahoma is not a top 5 team after 3 games. So Houston doesn't get to put "Beat a top 5 team" on their resume. It's black and white.
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So Ohio State didn't beat a Top 15 team 2 days ago?
You can't say we're going to rank Bama #1 because they beat a Top 20 Ole Miss team, then turn around and say "well Ole Miss shouldn't be top 25 being 1-2". At that point you're voiding the credit you gave Bamas ranking.
You can't say "Ohio Stare beat a Top 15 team in the road in Norman, they should be top 5." Then 2 days later tell me the win means less because of a new poll that was released. So if we credit Ohio State for a win over a Top 15 Oklahoma team, we can't in the same breath discredit Oklahoma just because they lost to 2 top 5 teams.
Is Oklahoma a good team in your opinion? Because it sounds like you are saying they are no different than UCF or some other scrub 1-2 school.
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I'm saying they aren't a top 5 team. That doesn't mean they're = to UCF. Stop putting words into my mouth.
And no....we didn't beat a top 15 team 2 days ago. Probably by the end of the season they'll have worked their way into the top 20 or so, at which point we can say we beat a top 20 team. Unless there's something like an injury to a key player....the "at the time we played them" ranking is one of my most hated arguments that CFB fans make.
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Like it or not, agree with it or not. Houston, Ohio State, Louisville, MSU, Wisconsin, etc have all received their poll position because of the teams rank at the time they beat them.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Let's call it here, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Florida State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Michigan, Penn State, USC (when not on probation) and Notre Dame have such an advantage in terms of resources and history that they only play two conference games a year where the odds are relatively even. If they play an OOC game against one of the very top tier teams, that makes it three games a year with even odds.
There are a few teams in each conference who can beat the best team in their conference, especially if at home; Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan State, Ol' Miss, Arkansas, maybe Florida, Tennessee, Washington, Oregon.
Every season seems to produce a Houston, Louisville, Baylor, Boise State, TCU, BYU... usually because a top tier team is on probation - Penn State, USC, or has a coaching problem - Michigan, Texas, USC, Notre Dame -
So maybe there are at most 25 teams to worry about each week. Injuries, internal personnel problems, distractions, bad weather, can produce an upset, but the same teams will consistently rise to the top ten spots and we know that before the first play of any season. So do the guys who put together the preseason polls.
Using my list, counting finishes in the top 15 from 1995 - 2015, Ohio State 15, LSU 14, FSU 13, Oklahoma 12, Michigan 11, Alabama 11, Texas 10, Penn State 9, Notre Dame 8,
I didn't realize that Georgia and Florida had been so successful in that 20 year span. As I was totaling up I realized they probably would have ended up ahead of Texas, possibly Alabama and Michigan. But again, they fall into the category of teams with the resources necessary.
There are a few teams in each conference who can beat the best team in their conference, especially if at home; Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan State, Ol' Miss, Arkansas, maybe Florida, Tennessee, Washington, Oregon.
Every season seems to produce a Houston, Louisville, Baylor, Boise State, TCU, BYU... usually because a top tier team is on probation - Penn State, USC, or has a coaching problem - Michigan, Texas, USC, Notre Dame -
So maybe there are at most 25 teams to worry about each week. Injuries, internal personnel problems, distractions, bad weather, can produce an upset, but the same teams will consistently rise to the top ten spots and we know that before the first play of any season. So do the guys who put together the preseason polls.
Using my list, counting finishes in the top 15 from 1995 - 2015, Ohio State 15, LSU 14, FSU 13, Oklahoma 12, Michigan 11, Alabama 11, Texas 10, Penn State 9, Notre Dame 8,
I didn't realize that Georgia and Florida had been so successful in that 20 year span. As I was totaling up I realized they probably would have ended up ahead of Texas, possibly Alabama and Michigan. But again, they fall into the category of teams with the resources necessary.
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And when it comes time to make a decision for which 4 teams get into the playoffs, the committee isn't going to say "Well they beat Oklahoma when they were ranked 3rd.....so Houston is in."
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