Potential rule changes for 2009/2011

[buckeyesin07]

YouTube - Santonio Holmes TD Against Notre Dame

"Frequently" is the key word in the sentence you quoted. Also note that you had to go back to 2006, older than any of the following:

USC’s unsportsmanlike conduct penalty explained - USC - OCRegister.com

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4s8Em6g_aA"]YouTube - Sederick Ellis Unsportsman-like conduct penalty[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t-f-39A4fs"]YouTube - USC 2008 Rose Bowl Highlight[/ame] (1:37 into the clip)

http://usc.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/31/uscs-unsportsmanlike-conduct-penalty-explained/732/

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[cjmik_75]

I can remember Santonio Holmes getting flagged for diving into the end zone in the 4th quarter vs. SCum in 2005 and thought it was a BS "judgement call". The refs tried like hell to keep scum in that game.

 

[Dryden]

I can remember Santonio Holmes getting flagged for diving into the end zone in the 4th quarter vs. SCum in 2005 and thought it was a BS "judgement call". The refs tried like hell to keep scum in that game.

I was just thinking the same thing. I thought at least two of Tone's penalties in his OSU career were BS, because they were legitimate races to the end zone against defenders in pursuit. His finger wag in the Fiesta Bowl against ND was deserving though.

Good thing they didn't have this rule back in his day, cause he might have never been credited with a TD catch his entire career. Every time Holmes touched the ball it was 6 points and 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff.

 

[southcampus]

I think as long as the rules are cut and dry as to what constitutes the penalty, leaving little room for the refs to fudge it up, then this would be a good idea. Unfortunately, there is little to no continuity in refereeing in judgement calls so I would just assume they keep the current rule in place.

My suggestion would be to do something like College Basketball. Maybe do a little post game analysis by the big wigs in the conferences and decide if there should be further disciplinary actions taken against the player.

Things like diving into the endzone or pointing to the sky just dont seem like a big deal to me. Even Thad Gibson's little pre-enzone dance at MSU this year was nothing in my eyes. The taunting and the flipping is a different story and I guess that is "Cut and Dry" so I would support penalties that would erase touchdowns for those infractions.

 

[Gatorubet]

Things like the Sooner indicating first down not getting flagged and the Gator getting flagged for indicating a first down can potentially change a game outcome. These all need to be less subjective whenever possible. I don't think making a heat of the moment first down sign should be a penalty, no matter who does it.

 

[BayBuck]

Why is it absurd? If a player commits a clipping penalty on the 5-yard line, the ball comes out to the 20. If the taunting occurs on the 5-yard line, before the TD is scored, why shouldn't the penalty be enforced from the point at which it occurred?

Completely different kinds of penalty. Celebrations don't give a team/player any kind of competitive advantage (as blocking offenses like holding/clipping can do) and don't put anyone's health/safety at risk. Sportsmanship-related penalties don't affect the outcome of the play and should continue to be assessed after the play IMO.

 

[jwinslow]

If you have to make even more drastic changes, make them kick off from the goalline.

 

[methomps]

"Frequently" is the key word in the sentence you quoted. Also note that you had to go back to 2006, older than any of the following:

If you think Holmes was a one-time deal... And 2006 was no more dated than the Reggie Bush references thrown around here.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Lol, the irony.

 

[BB73]

If you think Holmes was a one-time deal... And 2006 was no more dated than the Reggie Bush references thrown around here.

Actually, the first Reggie Bush reference in this thread was about a play in his pro career in 2007.

But it was also intentionally balanced by referencing David Boston. Guys, let's not turn this into a pissing contest about which team has had more penalized or unpenalized celebrations in the past.

 

[buckeyesin07]

If you think Holmes was a one-time deal... And 2006 was no more dated than the Reggie Bush references thrown around here.

Simple question: are you willing to admit that USC gets flagged for this more than OSU? Because that was the substance of the post to which you responded by posting one instance of an OSU player getting flagged. Any other attempts to change the subject to how many times Holmes was flagged or when Bush was flagged is a feeble attempt to change the subject, IMO.


FYI, Holmes penalties (which were two) are still fewer and longer ago than the three USC penalties that it took me about 20 seconds of internet searching to find.

 

[methomps]

Simple question: are you willing to admit that USC gets flagged for this more than OSU? Because that was the substance of the post to which you responded by posting one instance of an OSU player getting flagged. Any other attempts to change the subject to how many times Holmes was flagged or when Bush was flagged is a feeble attempt to change the subject, IMO.


FYI, Holmes penalties (which were two) are still fewer and longer ago than the three USC penalties that it took me about 20 seconds of internet searching to find.

I have no idea who gets flagged more often for this penalty. The first two things you posted have no relevance to this proposed rule change because neither involve an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty committed prior to reaching the endzone.

 

[buckeyesin07]

The first two things you posted have no relevance to this proposed rule change because neither involve an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty committed prior to reaching the endzone.

Fair enough. It took me about another 20 seconds to find this, which has a great deal of relevance:

"Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties will be given to players deemed to be taunting, showboating, spiking the ball, high-stepping, drawing attention to themselves and leaping into the stands.
The video offered examples of plays that fall under this particular "point of emphasis." A lot of them were basic. Four or five highlights were of players sommersaulting into the end zone. A lot of them, strangely, were on USC."

Officials: "Sommersaults are a bad, bad thing." - Blog, Sweat & Tears - TheTimes-Tribune.com

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm completely against any additional "judgement" calls by officials.

I can remember Santonio Holmes getting flagged for diving into the end zone in the 4th quarter vs. SCum in 2005 and thought it was a BS "judgement call". The refs tried like hell to keep scum in that game.

+Infinity

Reason #1: Giving those dumb sonsabitches more opportunity to fuck games up is not a good idea.

Reason#2: Giving men of somewhat questionable integrity more opportunity to cheat is begging for trouble.

All you have to do is think back to that WVU/Pitt game in '07 and imagine what refs that blatantly biased would do with this little wonder in their tool belt.

Hell we had one(crooked ref) in the B10 that the conference swept under the rug. Wouldn't you have loved to see what he could do to the point spreads in games with the ability to cancel a TD on a judgement call (which would not be reviewable)?

I also find it ironic that Belotti, who's team benefitted from one of the worst screw jobs in CFB officiating history against OU, is the one crying for this one. If it gets passed I would never schedule another away game at a Pac10 school. Seriously.

No to this one. A thousand times no.

 

[Gatorubet]

Actually, the first Reggie Bush reference in this thread was about a play in his pro career in 2007.

But it was also intentionally balanced by referencing David Boston. Guys, let's not turn this into a pissing contest about which team has had more penalized or unpenalized celebrations in the past.

Yeah. Take this to the recruiting violations thread...

 

[BuckeyeMafia]

Actually, the first Reggie Bush reference in this thread was about a play in his pro career in 2007.

But it was also intentionally balanced by referencing David Boston. Guys, let's not turn this into a [censored]ing contest about which team has had more penalized or unpenalized celebrations in the past.

Damn, and I was just about to go on my monthly Gator hate rant.

Not a big fan of these changes though, the only thing I can think I'd change is Pass Interference into a spot foul like the NFL. I don't really find it fair you can save a touchdown for 15 yards.