ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I am aware that the results here, even among alumni, wouldn't match those at a President's Club meeting. That doesn't mean that the results aren't interesting to gauge.
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I am aware that the results here, even among alumni, wouldn't match those at a President's Club meeting. That doesn't mean that the results aren't interesting to gauge.
ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
The US News Rankings are just some jerk's opinions. They really don't prove anything. Let's go with the National Championship.
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StooGrimson
He drives around, all over the town...
As much as I would prefer that OSU be known for academics and the accolades for the football team be gravy (mmmmm...gravy), that's living in a dream world. Dropping 25 spots in US News won't hurt OSU admissions nearly as much as a NC would help. 5 years of mediocre football won't hurt ticket sales, but it could really hurt recruiting and alumni donations.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
I'm an alum and I went with academics. 5 years isn't that long, but 25 spots in academic rankings is a big deal. even though you posed this hypothetically i think tOSU really could jump 25 spots in the rankings, but it will take a lot longer than 5 years. think about how far the school has come in the last 10 years. we are only moving up from here.
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OK, I admit, I don't follow NCAA Acedemic school ranks.. but I find this line very curious: "think about how far the school has come in the last 10 years. we are only moving up from here."
How far its come?
I admit I don't follow acedemic rankings, but it's my assumption that OSU is acedemically (today) somewhere near average to better than average, but short of extremely good (ie Nortwestern) or superior (ie Ivy League)... So, if we've come "far" from 10 years ago, it seems to me to suggest that OSU was on the other side of the Average line, being something akin to "Below average" or "poor" I doubt very seriously that that was the case in 1996.
How far its come?
I admit I don't follow acedemic rankings, but it's my assumption that OSU is acedemically (today) somewhere near average to better than average, but short of extremely good (ie Nortwestern) or superior (ie Ivy League)... So, if we've come "far" from 10 years ago, it seems to me to suggest that OSU was on the other side of the Average line, being something akin to "Below average" or "poor" I doubt very seriously that that was the case in 1996.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
For the record, the 2006 US News & World Report rankings have OSU tied for 60 among national universities, along with Boston U, Rutgers, Purdue, TXAM and Iowa. Moving up 25 spots to #35 would rank us near Wisconsin, Brandeis, Rochester, Case Western, NYU.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php
And while the ranking criteria are mostly "objective" (I've always hated the subjective "peer assessment" one), the sheer size of OSU works against a higher ranking by bringing down averages in areas like "classes with 50 or more" and graduation/retention rates. As a comparison, the nation's other 2 largest universities are ranked 52 (Texas) and 74 (Minnesota).
As for graduate schools, OSU's Business school is ranked #22, Law is #39, Med is #32, Engineering is #26, Education is #24.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc_brief.php
And while the ranking criteria are mostly "objective" (I've always hated the subjective "peer assessment" one), the sheer size of OSU works against a higher ranking by bringing down averages in areas like "classes with 50 or more" and graduation/retention rates. As a comparison, the nation's other 2 largest universities are ranked 52 (Texas) and 74 (Minnesota).
As for graduate schools, OSU's Business school is ranked #22, Law is #39, Med is #32, Engineering is #26, Education is #24.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
maybe ten years isn't far enough back, but OSU was not as highly regarded in the 80's and early 90's as it is now. Just look at the increasing quality of incoming freshmen. I admit though, that I am basing my opinions from a business school standpoint not university wide.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Here's where we stand right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_University#Rankings_and_Recognition
That hardly places us as a football factory that shouldn't even try as a couple here have contended.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Historically, Ohio State was very well regarded up until the early 1960's. Then, because of Governor Rhodes' policies (open admissions in particular) our reputation started to lag behind most of the other Big Ten schools. Although in most rankings, we were always the top public school in Ohio. The mid-80's is when things started to turn around and have been gaining momentum ever since.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
The alumni donations argument is a myth. Study after study have shown no link between a university's ability to raise private money and winning sports teams. Geiger has said repeatedly that nothing his sports teams ever did had any significant effect on Ohio State's fundraising.
In the mid to late 80's, during what was probably the worst five year stretch for Ohio State football in fifty years, Ohio State set a fundraising record at the time for public universities with a 460 million dollar campaign.
Compared to overall donations to the university, athletic donations only account for about 8%. The extra bump in merchandise sales that a championship season generates makes such a small difference in royalties as to be indistinguishable given the size of Ohio State's overall fundraising (220 million last year).
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