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Who Declares Early for the NBA this year

  • Mullens yes

    Votes: 56 76.7%

  • Mullens no

    Votes: 15 20.5%

  • Turner yes

    Votes: 40 54.8%

  • Turner no

    Votes: 33 45.2%

  • Buford yes

    Votes: 20 27.4%

  • Buford no

    Votes: 50 68.5%
  • Total voters
    73
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Turner should go right now. Whoever said Buford would get lost in the shuffle in the NBA is right. All the great back to the basket, classic post up centers need time to develop. Mullens I think would be best served taking the Thabeet route and spending some time in college before moving on. Post up centers that try to learn in the association and succeed are a rare breed.
 
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I think right now we're seeing the effects of only one year of college at center.. and it's not too good. You look at KK and he certainly could've used this year, maybe even this year and next year to be a dominant force. Oden is an example too, as dominant as he is, he's inconsistent- I'm not sure that would've certainly improved in college- but it couldn't have hurt. Sure Gregs inconsistentcy is also on his injury problem, but more so being ill prepared.

I think Turner could play in the NBA now, because guard is a lot less demanding and it's easier to succeed. I do think he's the best player in the Big Ten right now, and I do think he could use work on his offensive game before he goes, but he certainly could leave now.

Bufford is a 98% stay unless we win the Tourney and he because the main reason we did so. He's got a pretty gorgeous jumper, but he needs a lot of work, and as said, he'd get lost in the draft.
 
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Okay, I am not doing any more polls if you guys are going to vote like I don't want you to:biggrin2:

I will be shocked if Turner leaves after his remarks there were in the Dispatch on Friday that are in his thread. I think he and David's friendship will keep him around.
 
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Blessed with potential, are Ohio State's young hoop stars also victimized by their hubris?

by Bill Livingston/Plain Dealer Columnist Monday February 16, 2009, 6:52 PM


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Terry Gilliam/Associated PressOhio State freshman William Buford (44) may want to bypass many more drives past Indiana defenders and try out the NBA next season. It would be a major mistake, writes Bill Livingston.

CLEVELAND -- Three more Ohio State basketball players are thinking about turning pro early. None of them is that close to being ready. This is an act we've seen before. In 2007, Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr., who were picked first and fourth, respectively, in the NBA draft, left early. Oden is still injury-prone in Portland, and Conley is trade bait in Memphis.
They were joined by Daequan Cook, whose biggest feat since his selection at No. 21 in the first round was to win the 3-Point Shootout at the All-Star Game, while reminding no one of Larry Bird or Mark Price.
The trio who might be moving on now are Evan Turner, a slashing, 6-7, 205-pound sophomore swingman, William Buford, a slender 6-5, 190-pound freshman guard, and B.J. Mullens, a 7-0, 275-pound freshman center. They all, to varying degrees, offer potential, which was once described by former NBA coach Billy Cunningham as "just a fancy word for you haven't done it yet."

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Andy Manis/Associated PressEvan Turner (right) has been the Buckeyes' most consistent player this season, but does that really translate into a good reason for the sophomore to abandon his college years for a shot at the NBA?
Significantly, he was referring to Darryl Dawkins, one of the first players to come to the NBA straight from high school. The rules today force players to attend college for at least one year before jumping to the league. The effect has been to wreck any semblance of continuity in big-time college programs, while leaving the players as unready physically and mentally for the pros as they were in Dawkins' day.
Some think Turner is the Big Ten's Player of the Year. If so, it says much about how little the league retains of its illustrious past. The Big Ten was the league of John Havlicek, Jerry Lucas, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Chris Webber, Glen Rice, Michael Finley, Michael Redd and Deron Williams. Now its best devolves into a race among Turner, Talor Battle (Penn State) and Manny Harris (Michigan).

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All of these articles seem to ignore the fact that these players are making millions of dollars to get the same or better coaching and experience by playing a year in the league. Everyone who says that BJ, ET, and WB should stay cause they need to improve this facet of their game or that facet of their game, its like you are ignoring the fact that they can improve those facets of the game while being paid millions (or ONLY hundreds of thousands) of dollars to do so. It's almost as if you guys are treating it as the moment they declare, they stop improving and remain at the same talent/skill/experience level for their entire NBA playing career.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for all of them to come back. But I also understand that they need to do what they feel is best for them. Does it make sense for BJ to come back for a season and improve his draft stock from 13 (which is the lowest he is going to go, period, unless he doesn't play another minute this year because of some freak injury) to potentially 1 or 2? Maybe, maybe not. I would say that its a smart move, but I am not familiar with everything else that is going on in BJ's life, and neither are the rest of you. Same with Evan- sure he needs to improve his decision making and his deep ball, but can he do that in the league just as easily as college? I'm not sure, but I know if he does it in the league he will be getting paid around $1 million dollars to do it, versus nothing here (plus not having to deal with schoolwork, etc).

I guess all I am saying is that its easy for us to say that they should definitely stay because they need to improve this or work on that, and we are probably right. But if they can get millions of dollars to work on this or work on that, to me that seems like the logical choice, if not the one that I want the most.
 
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All of these articles seem to ignore the fact that these players are making millions of dollars to get the same or better coaching and experience by playing a year in the league. Everyone who says that BJ, ET, and WB should stay cause they need to improve this facet of their game or that facet of their game, its like you are ignoring the fact that they can improve those facets of the game while being paid millions (or ONLY hundreds of thousands) of dollars to do so. It's almost as if you guys are treating it as the moment they declare, they stop improving and remain at the same talent/skill/experience level for their entire NBA playing career.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for all of them to come back. But I also understand that they need to do what they feel is best for them. Does it make sense for BJ to come back for a season and improve his draft stock from 13 (which is the lowest he is going to go, period, unless he doesn't play another minute this year because of some freak injury) to potentially 1 or 2? Maybe, maybe not. I would say that its a smart move, but I am not familiar with everything else that is going on in BJ's life, and neither are the rest of you. Same with Evan- sure he needs to improve his decision making and his deep ball, but can he do that in the league just as easily as college? I'm not sure, but I know if he does it in the league he will be getting paid around $1 million dollars to do it, versus nothing here (plus not having to deal with schoolwork, etc).

I guess all I am saying is that its easy for us to say that they should definitely stay because they need to improve this or work on that, and we are probably right. But if they can get millions of dollars to work on this or work on that, to me that seems like the logical choice, if not the one that I want the most.
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To some degree I think you are right, but it varies by situation. If they guy is not good enough to get significant PT---then it becomes much harder to improve his skills (practice!? practice!? we talkin' bout practice)---compared to playing 35 minutes a game for one more year.

There is a fair amount of risk involve---if you are not a lottery pick there is not much guaranteed money to have. If a player can stay another year and play himself into the lottery rounds I'd say that is worth it.

Take a look at Cook---he was drafted for potential and is getting PT because of injuries--but there have been several moments where he was on the verge of going to the developmental league and but for the injuries who knows where he'd be. For every one Cook there are probably a few like him who are already out of the league. Maybe they made a mil or two but that is not going to last a lifetime.

At the end of the day, when there is not much guaranteed money, the player should make a decision that maximizes earning and reduces the risk of washing out.
 
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if you are a lottery pick go, first rounder questionablt, second later stay. id like to see all three of them sit down with matta and make the best informed choice for themselves. id hope thad would be honest and frank with them and not pete carroll them. help them make the choice that is best for them. i tend to think nearly every player could "beneift" from another year no matter their draft status...
 
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