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BB73 said:
Those guys have a total of less than 1 TD and 100 yards per game, so that’s not very good production.
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Overall, I guess, it was bad; however, it wasn't quite as bad as that. They had other guys catching the ball too. Through 7 games:

1298 receiving yards ÷ 7 = 185 yards per game
9 receiving TDs ÷ 7 = 1.3 receiving TDs per game

Compare that to 2024:

3646 receiving yards ÷ 16 games = 228 yards per game
30 passing TDs ÷ 16 games = 1.9 receiving TDs per game

Still, I think the drop off in passing production from 2024 to 2025 was more on Allar than the lack of decent WRs. It should be noted that the average yards rushing per game dropped off too. In 2024 it was 203.3 yards per game and so far in 2025 it is 169.36 yards per game. In summary Ped State's offense (basically) just really sucked this year.
 
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They say history repeats itself. Remember when Nebraska fired Bo Pelini? This is what Wikipedia says about that:

“Pelini left the NU football program with a 67–27 record, winning at least 9 games in every season. Despite this record, and winning several bowl games, Nebraska never won a conference title under Pelini. Eichorst stated at a press conference that Pelini hadn't won "the games that mattered the most" against top-tier opponents.”

Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? I wonder if PSU is headed for a similar situation as Nebraska?
 
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CincyInterloper said:
They say history repeats itself. Remember when Nebraska fired Bo Pelini? This is what Wikipedia says about that:

“Pelini left the NU football program with a 67–27 record, winning at least 9 games in every season. Despite this record, and winning several bowl games, Nebraska never won a conference title under Pelini. Eichorst stated at a press conference that Pelini hadn't won "the games that mattered the most" against top-tier opponents.”

Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? I wonder if PSU is headed for a similar situation as Nebraska?
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Ped State probably has more potential than Nebraska, but their biggest problem is that they want to be where we are, which isn't feasible. Their problem this year was that they let expectations get too high. Losing to Oregon destroyed their confidence and cost Franklin his job. For some programs, winning the games you should win is all you can ask, which is what Franklin was good at until this year. Maybe they make the right hire and take a step forward over the next few years, but there's just as good a chance they make a bad hire and end up middle of the pack in the Big 10. I don't think that fanbase would be happy if they hired a guy like Cignetti when he was at JMU.
 
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exhawg said:
their biggest problem is that they want to be where we are, which isn't feasible.
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This is spot on. What Alabama did with Saban isn't even logical. What we have been doing since Tressel is damn near impossible. Not only do they think they CAN do those things as well....they think they DESERVE it. Because Paterno donated a dollar to the library or some shit.
 
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exhawg said:
Ped State probably has more potential than Nebraska, but their biggest problem is that they want to be where we are, which isn't feasible. Their problem this year was that they let expectations get too high. Losing to Oregon destroyed their confidence and cost Franklin his job. For some programs, winning the games you should win is all you can ask, which is what Franklin was good at until this year. Maybe they make the right hire and take a step forward over the next few years, but there's just as good a chance they make a bad hire and end up middle of the pack in the Big 10. I don't think that fanbase would be happy if they hired a guy like Cignetti when he was at JMU.
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I agree with everything you said. But the thing I'd like to emphasize is that Franklin only lost two games he should have won this year before they dropped the axe. That seems like an overreaction to me. Maybe he would have lost more games he should have won if he had stayed to the end of the season, but we'll never know.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
I agree with everything you said. But the thing I'd like to emphasize is that Franklin only lost two games he should have won this year before they dropped the axe. That seems like an overreaction to me. Maybe he would have lost more games he should have won if he had stayed to the end of the season, but we'll never know.
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Good call.
But I don't think he won enough games he wasn't supposed to win. If you say a guy wins all the games he's supposed to win, and he loses all the games he's supposed to lose, he's just treading water. I think the true measure of a coach is his record when he wins games he should lose, and lose games he should win. And whatever that record was, it wasn't good enough.
But I don't think Penn State handled that properly. I think I would have waited until the season was done. But maybe it's better to rip the band-aid off.
 
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Cignetti, and to an extent Clark Lea at Vanderbilt, are making a lot of coaching leashes shorter, I think. But even more so than that, the need for inexhaustible NIL $, which makes fellating the whale boosters even more important than it historically has been, is likely turning a lot of programs that historically had a fair amount of institutional control (in the sense of the university/athletic department generally running things even if not necessarily running them cleanly) into what Auburn has always been in terms of boosters running everything.

Ohio State's lucky in that we've generally, at least for the last 25 years or so, had strong alignment between our overall university governance and our athletic department, and our booster whale base has a lot of belugas and dolphins but as far as I know, no blues to warp things too much. So, for example, even if some fans, and lots of media, wanted Day tossed after the scUM loss last year, the people who make those decision weren't, I don't think, anywhere near seriously considering that.
 
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Zurp said:
Good call.
But I don't think he won enough games he wasn't supposed to win. If you say a guy wins all the games he's supposed to win, and he loses all the games he's supposed to lose, he's just treading water. I think the true measure of a coach is his record when he wins games he should lose, and lose games he should win. And whatever that record was, it wasn't good enough.
But I don't think Penn State handled that properly. I think I would have waited until the season was done. But maybe it's better to rip the band-aid off.
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re: Winning the games you're supposed to win. Illini coaching great, Bob Zuppke got into it with Ohio State's Francis Schmidt. "When I have the horses and you don't, I win. When you have the horses and I don't, you win. But when we both have the horses, I win." The story of the 2000's for Penn State would be, "When Tressell/Meyer/Day have the horse and Jo Pa/Butt Chin/Franklin don't, Ohio State Wins. When Jo Pa/Butt Chin/Franklin have the horses and Ohio State doesn't, Ohio State still wins.

Although, except for 2011, I can't remember when Ohio State didn't have the horses.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
That the ADs of FSU and PSU are having a duel to decide who gets to hire "coach Prime"? I have no idea WTF that means ... LOL.
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It means coach Prime is going to the the first coach to coach two separate NCAA football teams. Saturday games will have to be scheduled so that coach Prime has time to fly from the early game to the late game. Also, FSU and PSU will not be able to schedule each other.
 
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