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It sounds nice to sit on your couch and just say that Ped St should just fire Franklin. But several points need to considered before making such a coaching change. 1. Buyout, a $56mil buyout is MASSIVE, and that's just to make Franklin go away. The AD then convincing the Board to put up enough money to pay his successor a comparable salary, because if you fire Franklin they can't expect to then hire some young up and comer for half the salary. Then they'd be admit that they're not on the same level as OSU, Oregon or scUM.
2. If Franklin is fired, Ped St then has a hard decision to make on their future. Right now, imo, Ped St is in the place Nebraska was when they fired Pelini. They had a successful HC who had reached his ceiling as an annual 9-10 win coach. But they wanted to mentioned in the same sentence as OSU, Bama, USC, etc. And they didn't realize that the next hire isn't guaranteed to bring massive success, and you could be left between football purgatory or just being a bad program. I'm sure Nebraska fans would love to get the Peilini era back. Ped St could face a similar result.
But something tells me, that Ped St will talk a big game in public, but in private realize that they're an above average program playing in a top 2 conference in BFE, PA. They're history is wrapped around one man who dominated when Ped St wasn't in a conference, and the program will forever be stained by that man allowing despicable acts by his own DC, because he was a good defensive coach. Franklin has hit his ceiling, may sneak into the CFP damn near yearly when they expand the CFP to 16, and he can tout his nice win PCT. One thing the Ped St boosters don't want, to slip to the level of Rutgers, Wisconsin or Nebraska
 
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pnuts34 said:
It sounds nice to sit on your couch and just say that Ped St should just fire Franklin. But several points need to considered before making such a coaching change. 1. Buyout, a $56mil buyout is MASSIVE, and that's just to make Franklin go away. The AD then convincing the Board to put up enough money to pay his successor a comparable salary, because if you fire Franklin they can't expect to then hire some young up and comer for half the salary. Then they'd be admit that they're not on the same level as OSU, Oregon or scUM.
2. If Franklin is fired, Ped St then has a hard decision to make on their future. Right now, imo, Ped St is in the place Nebraska was when they fired Pelini. They had a successful HC who had reached his ceiling as an annual 9-10 win coach. But they wanted to mentioned in the same sentence as OSU, Bama, USC, etc. And they didn't realize that the next hire isn't guaranteed to bring massive success, and you could be left between football purgatory or just being a bad program. I'm sure Nebraska fans would love to get the Peilini era back. Ped St could face a similar result.
But something tells me, that Ped St will talk a big game in public, but in private realize that they're an above average program playing in a top 2 conference in BFE, PA. They're history is wrapped around one man who dominated when Ped St wasn't in a conference, and the program will forever be stained by that man allowing despicable acts by his own DC, because he was a good defensive coach. Franklin has hit his ceiling, may sneak into the CFP damn near yearly when they expand the CFP to 16, and he can tout his nice win PCT. One thing the Ped St boosters don't want, to slip to the level of Rutgers, Wisconsin or Nebraska
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Completely agree with you but being amongst them, I don’t think they have the institutional self awareness you think they do.

I think the money is reason #1 and there isn’t really another reason. They are as delusional a bunch as god ever let through the door.
 
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pnuts34 said:
It sounds nice to sit on your couch and just say that Ped St should just fire Franklin. But several points need to considered before making such a coaching change. 1. Buyout, a $56mil buyout is MASSIVE, and that's just to make Franklin go away. The AD then convincing the Board to put up enough money to pay his successor a comparable salary, because if you fire Franklin they can't expect to then hire some young up and comer for half the salary. Then they'd be admit that they're not on the same level as OSU, Oregon or scUM.
2. If Franklin is fired, Ped St then has a hard decision to make on their future. Right now, imo, Ped St is in the place Nebraska was when they fired Pelini. They had a successful HC who had reached his ceiling as an annual 9-10 win coach. But they wanted to mentioned in the same sentence as OSU, Bama, USC, etc. And they didn't realize that the next hire isn't guaranteed to bring massive success, and you could be left between football purgatory or just being a bad program. I'm sure Nebraska fans would love to get the Peilini era back. Ped St could face a similar result.
But something tells me, that Ped St will talk a big game in public, but in private realize that they're an above average program playing in a top 2 conference in BFE, PA. They're history is wrapped around one man who dominated when Ped St wasn't in a conference, and the program will forever be stained by that man allowing despicable acts by his own DC, because he was a good defensive coach. Franklin has hit his ceiling, may sneak into the CFP damn near yearly when they expand the CFP to 16, and he can tout his nice win PCT. One thing the Ped St boosters don't want, to slip to the level of Rutgers, Wisconsin or Nebraska
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Would also have to pay assistants as well.
 
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pnuts34 said:

Ped st really Thought they were returning all their players and were going to be the 3rd straight B1G team to win a natty. :rofl:
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Bumping my contributions, and all of our predictions circa January for how this was going to go.

Buckeye86 said:
Penn State trying to follow UM and OSU model and are going all in for next season… it’s going to be extremely funny when they still fail because they 1) aren’t cheating their asses off to gain a massive momentum and confidence boost like UM 2) don’t have nearly the talent as Ohio State across the board (if arguably in some positions) and 3) have a coach that is the best in the businesses at losing big games.
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Buckeye86 said:
James Franklin as your head coach isn’t the best time to go all in for a championship, either.

You have more than a decade of experience with how this is going to go, especially
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they are almost certainly going to have massive holes in their roster, even with their retention “wins”

not just with depth, but with starting roles as well, and hell, who amongst them watched Allar against ND and is filled with confidence he’s the guy to lead their “all in” season?
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Jaxbuck said:
Completely agree with you but being amongst them, I don’t think they have the institutional self awareness you think they do.

I think the money is reason #1 and there isn’t really another reason. They are as delusional a bunch as god ever let through the door.
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To make the money matters worse is that they are in the beginning of a 700M stadium renovation project. I would believe that the people who would be tapped to help with the buyout are already shelling out big bucks for the stadium.
 
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The buyout for Franklin is just so massive that it's not going to happen. This is a business first. the wins/loses are a distance second regardless of what the fans want. The buyout along with NIL.....it's way too much money. The pressure to even coach at Penn State. You are going to be behind Ohio State, Oregon, and even Michigan most years. Penn State's record against Michigan and OSU has been awful the last decade. OSU is 12-1 in the last 13 games and Michigan is 7-3 in the last 10 with 2 of those losses around the covid years when Michigan was ass. I actually think Franklin is an ok coach for them.....he was a play or 2 away from the national championship last year. He just isn't good enough to be the top dawg. Right now Oregon and OSU have separated themselves in this conference for the present and future. Michigan probably 3rd but I'm not a huge Moore believer. That team could be sneaky dangerous if they actually had some wrs but they ass.

I think Curt Cignetti would be a solid coach for them. The downside is that he is 64. Penn State is pretty much fucked and will be the next several years. They will still have some solid 9-10 win seasons. that's all though.
 
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