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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Gizmo said:
This is like the LeBron debate. Getting a bunch of numbers because you got a lot of years in doesn't automatically mean "best".
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Damn. I don't want to defend those nerds, but the debate with Paterno isn't about "best". I mean, I'm sure they'd insist that he was "best", but the actual topic is whether 409 wins is "beatable". 409 wins is 41 seasons of 10 wins per season. Or just over 34 seasons of 12 wins per season. By comparison, in 17 years under Nick Saban, Alabama averaged 12.12 wins per season. So 409 may just be unbeatable. 12-win seasons are probably going to be more achievable with the expanded playoffs, but a team that is consistently going to win 12 games probably isn't going to hire someone young enough to coach another 34 seasons.
That said, Ryan Day is 46 years old, and has 70 wins. He needs 28.25 seasons with 12 wins per season to get to 409. Will he coach to 74?
Anyway, I'm just happy that the cult still gets pissy over lists like these.
 
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Steve19 said:
I guess the difficulty involves scheduling. my memory is that their schedules included a couple of tough games and a lot of easy wins over the years before the Big Ten
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The reason none of his undefeated teams was voted #1 in either poll in the late 60s and 70s. Not to mention that he flat out dodged Texas in 69 or 70 while trying to make himself seem holier than thou and said it was because he wouldn't take black players to the South...he ended up playing in the Orange Bowl that year.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
The reason none of his undefeated teams was voted #1 in either poll in the late 60s and 70s. Not to mention that he flat out dodged Texas in 69 or 70 while trying to make himself seem holier than thou and said it was because he wouldn't take black players to the South...he ended up playing in the Orange Bowl that year.
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I thought it was 1969, because the only reason it was an issue was because of 24-12.
And others here will understand better than me, but Texas wanted to play in the Cotton Bowl, I believe. Orange Bowl in Miami. Florida doesn't count as "the south" (that's something I've heard before - not just in this scenario).
Anyway, my favorite part is when Nixon called up Texas to congratulate them on winning the national championship. That made the Penn State fans cry. Yay.
Also, Nixon called up Penn State to congratulate them on winning their game, too. Joe Paterno told him to shove it. I don't believe a single word of either of those sentences. Also, that story didn't come out until years later - I would guess it was after Nixon resigned. Paterno made that story up when Nixon was thought to be a crook. True or not, that story never would have gotten out if Nixon finished his term and had no major controversies.
 
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Zurp said:
Anyway, my favorite part is when Nixon called up Texas to congratulate them on winning the national championship. That made the Penn State fans cry. Yay.
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Nixon didn’t call them up, he was in their locker room after they beat Arkansas. And calling them the champs at that point was legit.

Penn State had 1 win over a ranked team (West Va). They also had a 1-point win over 5-5 Syracuse.
 
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Zurp said:
Damn. I don't want to defend those nerds, but the debate with Paterno isn't about "best". I mean, I'm sure they'd insist that he was "best", but the actual topic is whether 409 wins is "beatable". 409 wins is 41 seasons of 10 wins per season. Or just over 34 seasons of 12 wins per season. By comparison, in 17 years under Nick Saban, Alabama averaged 12.12 wins per season. So 409 may just be unbeatable. 12-win seasons are probably going to be more achievable with the expanded playoffs, but a team that is consistently going to win 12 games probably isn't going to hire someone young enough to coach another 34 seasons.
That said, Ryan Day is 46 years old, and has 70 wins. He needs 28.25 seasons with 12 wins per season to get to 409. Will he coach to 74?
Anyway, I'm just happy that the cult still gets pissy over lists like these.
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I wasn't arguing that the record likely isn't unbeatable, but the fact that they're crying that that stat didn't come up on a "best" of list. Sure, it's a lot of wins, but dude played a C schedule for 40+ years, so wins were gonna add up. Much like LeBron isn't the best because he's played for 25 years and therefore has numbers, Joe Pa's stat, while unbelievable, becomes more believable (and beatable) when you think about how it came to pass. Put a 30 something into a coaching position at a halfway decent school, keep him there for 40 years, and give him a MAC schedule, and I'm sure he approaches 400 wins, too.
 
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Let's just get back to the basics: Fuck Our Non-Rival Pedd State. Fuck their disgraced fraud of a coach. Fuck their record of being the Boise State of their day until joining the Big Ten exposed them as the frauds that they were. Fuck their weak ass "Eastern Independent" schedule and JoePed's handpicked referees. Fuck their DC who liked to fuck little boys in the ass in the football facility showers. Fuck their "legendary" head coach who looked the other way because he needed that defense to finally win something. Fuck his wife. Fuck his two failsons. Fuck them all. They're not our rival; they're just this disgusting piece of dead rat that attached itself to Ohio State's shoe. They just need to be scraped off.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Let's just get back to the basics: Fuck Our Non-Rival Pedd State. Fuck their disgraced fraud of a coach. Fuck their record of being the Boise State of their day until joining the Big Ten exposed them as the frauds that they were. Fuck their weak ass "Eastern Independent" schedule and JoePed's handpicked referees. Fuck their DC who liked to fuck little boys in the ass in the football facility showers. Fuck their "legendary" head coach who looked the other way because he needed that defense to finally win something. Fuck his wife. Fuck his two failsons. Fuck them all. They're not our rival; they're just this disgusting piece of dead rat that attached itself to Ohio State's shoe. They just need to be scraped off.
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you forgot the stadium and the ring of randomly memorable years (for them)
 
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Plot To Kill Joe.

In 1976, only one bunch of turds had the money to engineer this. The Golden Shower Panthers. The Pittsburgh Police ignored this. The telegrams and special delivery letters of death were ignored. The State Police had to protect Joe. Years later, like Judas, the state police would betray him.
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This is a new one, to me.
The OP makes a vague accusation:
Title: Plot to kill Joe
In 1976, only one bunch of turds had the money to engineer this. The Golden Shower Panthers.

The Pittsburgh Police ignored this. The telegrams and special delivery letters of death were ignored.

The State Police had to protect Joe.

Years later, like Judas, the state police would betray him.
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No evidence. No real details. "Only one bunch of turds had the money to engineer this." Not to make light of murder or assassinations or whatever, but you don't need a lot of money to commit crimes like this.
"Pittsburgh Police ignored this." I'd ignore it, too, if your only evidence is "they're the only ones with the money to engineer this."
"Letters of death were ignored". I don't know what "Letters of Death" are - death threats? I'm sure if they seemed viable they weren't ignored.
"State police had to protect Joe." Okay. I still don't have any details.
"The state police would betray him." Oh... the state police were the ones who framed Sandusky and scattered false evidence that Paterno knew. Seems legit.

The others believe him:
pitt fans are scum.
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Zurp said:

Plot To Kill Joe.

In 1976, only one bunch of turds had the money to engineer this. The Golden Shower Panthers. The Pittsburgh Police ignored this. The telegrams and special delivery letters of death were ignored. The State Police had to protect Joe. Years later, like Judas, the state police would betray him.
pennstate.forums.rivals.com pennstate.forums.rivals.com

This is a new one, to me.
The OP makes a vague accusation:
Title: Plot to kill Joe


No evidence. No real details. "Only one bunch of turds had the money to engineer this." Not to make light of murder or assassinations or whatever, but you don't need a lot of money to commit crimes like this.
"Pittsburgh Police ignored this." I'd ignore it, too, if your only evidence is "they're the only ones with the money to engineer this."
"Letters of death were ignored". I don't know what "Letters of Death" are - death threats? I'm sure if they seemed viable they weren't ignored.
"State police had to protect Joe." Okay. I still don't have any details.
"The state police would betray him." Oh... the state police were the ones who framed Sandusky and scattered false evidence that Paterno knew. Seems legit.

The others believe him:
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Sadly, it's really just a concentrated version of how the internet and stupidity work together in society today.
 
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