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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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I just can't wait until the losing starts.

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Urban battling Joe for recruits is one thing but taking JOE's recruits while the man lay dying is just rude and I will never forgive him for it.
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I guess the fact that JoePa was dismissed from his job 19 days before tOSU hired UFM doesn't factor in to Urban stealing "Joe's recruits".

If Joe had been healthy for the last 2 months, he wouldn't have been recruiting for PSU.
 
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Onebuckfan;2097289; said:
Its gonna eake 40 years wandering in the wilderness before PSU and Slappy Valley returns to normalcy
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Nope. More like 400 years. Takes a really long time to take a straight family tree and make it branch out.

And normalcy is being generous. I am thinking just slightly less cult-ish and psychotic.
 
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NFBuck;2097293; said:
BB, please. We should be mourning.
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I watched the entire 2+ hours of the JoePa memorial service today, which BTN (to their credit) showed without any commercials.

I watched the Paterno family and their chosen speakers speak about his legacy, as they chose to define it. I listened to Nike CEO Phil Knight talk about how JoePa was his hero for the last 12 years, and that he still was his hero throughout the last few months since he told his superiors what he had heard. Knight said that if there was a problem, it was with the investigation, and not with Joe Paterno. That line received the loudest ovation of the entire service, because it was what that crowd wanted to hear.

I listened as former players and the dean of PSU's Liberal Arts College talked about him, all speaking fondly and lauding his accomplishments, his concern for others, and his support of PSU as an educational institution. His love of the classics was mentioned by the dean.

I saw the memorial service as a mechanism to allow those that fondly remembered Paterno to grieve and to look back on their memories of him, which is fine.

But I also saw it as a concerted attempt to define JoePa's legacy, since many close to him feel that his legacy has been unfairly damaged over the last couple of months. Phil Knight and Jay Paterno both made statements indicating that Joe had done what he needed to do recently, although the name Jerry Sandusky was never mentioned during the service.

Joe Paterno led an impressive life. He built Penn State into a football power, and he helped the University grow and improve academically. He mentored hundreds of student-athletes over several decades. Those were significant accomplishments, and are deservedly a large part of his legacy.

But his legacy has been forever tarnished by his role in the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Those stating that he was involved in so many lives at PSU, and that nothing of significance occurred related to the football program without his knowledge, want to have it both ways by absolving JoePa of any responsibility in PSU allowing Jerry Sandusky to entice and abuse young boys by using his association with the football program and access to its facilities, even after JoePa was aware that Sandusky had privileges such as access to the facilities revoked in 2002.

Joe Paterno, in his own words, said "I wish I had done more." But Joe was also disingenuous when he recently acted like he wasn't familiar with male-on-boy sexual acts. As a practicing Catholic in March of 2002, he had to be familiar with the extensive media coverage of the widespread issues that the church had with pedophile priests and their dismal record of allowing the abuses to continue (early 2002 was at the height of that scandal). As an avid supporter of "The Classics", he had to be aware of many references to man-on-boy sexual activities referenced by multiple Greek authors. Pretending to be unaware of possible man-on-boy sexual abuse appeared to me to be a weak attempt at deflecting personal responsibility.

The Paterno family apparently believes it is unjust that JoePa's legacy has been tarnished. But it deserves to be tarnished forever. Because if anyone in the future is thinking about not reporting possible sexual abuse of children in order to: (avoid negative impact on their business or institution/preserve their legacy/whatever reason); and their memory of Paterno having his legacy damaged by not doing enough to ensure a proper investigation and care for any alleged current and future potential victims, and that prompts that person to take action that may prevent some future abuses, then whatever tarnishing that occurred will be worth it.

Because the important aspect of the overall situation is that any children that were victimized receive whatever justice and/or compensation they can; and that everybody realizes in the future that whenever there is a suspicion of someone abusing children, the overriding concern should be for the welfare of the children. To do otherwise is immoral, unethical, and/or criminal depending on the knowledge and level of responsibilities involved.

JoePa has passed on. He's been mourned and eulogized. But nothing will ever take away the tarnish on his legacy; since his awareness of the situation in 2002 (and probably also in 1998/99), his power over what happened to anything related to the PSU football program in those years, and the terrible damage inflicted on boys by a predator who was allowed to function within the confines of the PSU football facilities, can simply never be forgotten by those who wish to minimize the amount of victims in the future.
 
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BB73;2097310; said:
Because if anyone in the future is thinking about not reporting possible sexual abuse of children in order to: (avoid negative impact on their business or institution/preserve their legacy/whatever reason); and their memory of Paterno having his legacy damaged by not doing enough to ensure a proper investigation and care for any alleged current and future potential victims, and that prompts that person to take action that may prevent some future abuses, then whatever tarnishing that occurred will be worth it.

Because the important aspect of the overall situation is that any children that were victimized receive whatever justice and/or compensation they can; and that everybody realizes in the future that whenever there is a suspicion of someone abusing children, the overriding concern should be for the welfare of the children. To do otherwise is immoral, unethical, and/or criminal depending on the knowledge and level of responsibilities involved.
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Completely seriously: I couldn't agree more with this. Sweeping things under the rug is exactly what led to this abhorrent situation in the first place. Doing so again when it comes to JoePa's legacy is repeating the same sick mistake all over again and is absolutely inexcusable.

On a lighter note: hooray for completely justified Ped State jokes forever!
 
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