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and I just realized it was Porter's trash talking, dirty ass playing son who did it.
Apple didn't fall too far from the tree there.
Apple didn't fall too far from the tree there.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
Yes, there’s film to be watched and adjustments to be made, but anyone genuinely upset with this win hasn’t been paying attention. Rival or not, the PSU game is always like this and they’re a legit squad. I don’t know what happened to them the two previous games, but I know there’s no transitive property in-conference. There’s much that could’ve been done better, but this team has the upside to get it done.
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
Happy for the W. It was the trifecta of nervousness for me. I have in my head OSU struggles in games against PSU, when they wear theme uniforms, and night games. Now onto Nebraska!
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Penn State 2021
1. First, I have to state the obvious: That was an ugly game on so many levels. The offense stalling out in the red zone. The defense disappearing on 3rd down. The play calling. The penalties on Ohio State (mostly justified). The non-calls on Penn State (some blatant). The all-scarlet uniforms. But I begin to digress, so let's get back to football.
2. With the win, Ohio State improves to 23-14 (.622) all-time against Penn State, including 21-8 (.724) in Big Ten play, nine of the last ten, and five in a row. Not our rival.
3. Yes, Penn State has a good-to-great defense, but C.J. Stroud definitely took a step back yesterday. He was bothered by the pressure, had trouble finding receivers, was late in delivering the ball, and missed some wide open throws, as evidenced by his rather meh numbers: 22/34 (.647), 305 yards, TD. There were plenty of bad plays - most notably missing a wide open Chris Olave in the end zone, and in the process somehow underthrowing a fifteen-yard pass by five yards - but there were some brilliant plays as well. Two that quickly come to mind were: (a) with 3:48 left in the 1st half, Stroud avoided a strong outside blitz, allowed his blocker (pulling guard Thayer Munford) to get into position to engage the pass rusher, stepped up in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield, and hit Chris Olave in stride for a 38-yard touchdown; and (b) with about 3:30 left in the game, Ohio State up six and needing a score to ice it, Stroud fired a laser beam to Jeremy Ruckert down the seam for a 30-yard gain that put Ohio State into field goal range. I don't think we see any other Ohio State quarterback except Dwayne Haskins make those throws, not even Justin Fields.
4. From last year's Penn State recap:
This year was more of the same, as Ohio State's six trips into the red zone resulted in one touchdown, four field goals, and a turnover on downs. On four of those six red zone trips, the Buckeyes made it inside the 10-yard line with the following results: 8 plays, 5 yards, 3 field goals, one touchdown. And by the way, Ohio State committed three penalties inside the red zone, including a false start at the 1-yard line.
5. The Buckeyes' short yardage offense was crap in general last night. Ohio State had 15 short yardage situations (3 yards or less) and here were the results of those plays, in order:
The obvious tendency is to blame the offensive line in short yardage failures, but the Buckeye coaching staff for some reason insisted on running into the teeth of a staunch defense, with predictable results. When the play calling deviated from the norm, the results were generally good: a 7-yard run for a first down on a jet sweep; a 3-yard gain on a completed pass that would have resulted in a first down but for a fumble; an incompletion where C.J. Stroud inexplicably missed a wide-open Chris Olave in the end zone; and an incompletion; in other words, a successful play, two plays that would have been successful but for human error (i.e., good play call, bad execution), and an unsuccessful play.
6. Like most of the team, TreVeyon Henderson had a weird game. In the first half, he had 9 carries for just 6 yards. He warmed up slightly at the beginning of the third quarter, as his first 3 carries went for 14 yards, before he reverted to first half form with 2 carries for 0 yards and a false start from the Penn State 2-yard line. Then with 4:17 left in the third quarter, Henderson made his highlight reel play, a 68-yard jaunt (his longest run of the year) that took the ball down to the Penn State 3-yard line, from where he would score his only touchdown two plays later. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line, Henderson had 11 carries for 62 yards (5.64 average), but was again stuffed for no gain on 3rd-and-goal from the 1-yard line. Overall, Henderson had 28 carries for 152 yards (5.43 average) and a TD, which is probably good enough to keep him in the Heisman discussion ... for 2022.
7. All in all, the defense played a very good game: they held Penn State to 33 yards rushing on 29 carries (1.1 average); forced three turnovers (2 fumbles, interception); scored points (a scoop six from Jerron Cage); had four sacks, four other TFLs, five hurries, and a batted pass (by Haskell Garrett on Penn State's final drive); and held Penn State to 2 yards or less on nearly half (39/81) of their plays. The defensive line looked especially good, in large part because Tyreke Smith decided to end his season-long slumber and play like the future first rounder that he's supposed to be. In his 6th year of college football, Antwuan Jackson is finally playing like a former top-50 recruit; Javontae Jean-Baptiste and Taron Vincent provided valuable support; and J.T. Tuimoloau looks like the Next Big Thing along the defensive line; only Zach Harrison continues to disappoint.
8. "All in all the defense played a very good game." Of course, that implies that the defense did not always play well, and third down was their Achilles heel. Penn State converted 11/18 (.611) third downs, including five of at least five yards. Even still there was a slight silver lining, as the Buckeye defense forced incompletions on both of Penn State's third down attempts in the fourth quarter when the game was in the balance.
9. The play of the game (and possibly the season) was undoubtedly 57-yard fumble return for a touchdown by Jerron Cage, the 5th-longest scoop-and-score in Ohio State history. By my count, the big man (listed at 305 pounds, but someone must've transposed those last two digits) took a full NINE SECONDS to rumble, stumble, bumble his way into the end zone, but for some reason none of the Penn State players tried to chase him down. Maybe they were in awe seeing the earth shake as Cage thundered down the sideline. Or maybe they were just laughing their asses off. In any event, Cage's scoop six immediately enters my list of favorite Buckeye plays of all time, and it is unquestionably the greatest fat man TD in Ohio State history.
10. Ohio State had 10 penalties for 74 yards, which included a targeting that was probably legit under the stupid rule as written but clearly was not a dangerous hit; a roughing the passer that was in no way, shape, or form rough; a questionable pass interference; and SEVEN procedure penalties (5 false starts, 2 illegal snaps), including three on one drive and two on another. Meanwhile, Penn State had 7 penalties for 56 yards, but literally tackled Buckeye pass rushers on consecutive plays without drawing flags for holding (or mugging or raping or something). Big Ten officials are generally bad, but last night was truly an abysmal performance from the men (and woman) in stripes.
11. Bottom line: Ohio State still in the playoff hunt; Penn State still not elite.
1. First, I have to state the obvious: That was an ugly game on so many levels. The offense stalling out in the red zone. The defense disappearing on 3rd down. The play calling. The penalties on Ohio State (mostly justified). The non-calls on Penn State (some blatant). The all-scarlet uniforms. But I begin to digress, so let's get back to football.
2. With the win, Ohio State improves to 23-14 (.622) all-time against Penn State, including 21-8 (.724) in Big Ten play, nine of the last ten, and five in a row. Not our rival.
3. Yes, Penn State has a good-to-great defense, but C.J. Stroud definitely took a step back yesterday. He was bothered by the pressure, had trouble finding receivers, was late in delivering the ball, and missed some wide open throws, as evidenced by his rather meh numbers: 22/34 (.647), 305 yards, TD. There were plenty of bad plays - most notably missing a wide open Chris Olave in the end zone, and in the process somehow underthrowing a fifteen-yard pass by five yards - but there were some brilliant plays as well. Two that quickly come to mind were: (a) with 3:48 left in the 1st half, Stroud avoided a strong outside blitz, allowed his blocker (pulling guard Thayer Munford) to get into position to engage the pass rusher, stepped up in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield, and hit Chris Olave in stride for a 38-yard touchdown; and (b) with about 3:30 left in the game, Ohio State up six and needing a score to ice it, Stroud fired a laser beam to Jeremy Ruckert down the seam for a 30-yard gain that put Ohio State into field goal range. I don't think we see any other Ohio State quarterback except Dwayne Haskins make those throws, not even Justin Fields.
4. From last year's Penn State recap:
This year was more of the same, as Ohio State's six trips into the red zone resulted in one touchdown, four field goals, and a turnover on downs. On four of those six red zone trips, the Buckeyes made it inside the 10-yard line with the following results: 8 plays, 5 yards, 3 field goals, one touchdown. And by the way, Ohio State committed three penalties inside the red zone, including a false start at the 1-yard line.
5. The Buckeyes' short yardage offense was crap in general last night. Ohio State had 15 short yardage situations (3 yards or less) and here were the results of those plays, in order:
3rd-and-3: 3-yard completion to Jeremy Ruckert (fumble lost)
2nd-and-3: 1-yard run by Miyan Williams
3rd-and-2: Illegal snap penalty on Luke Wypler
3rd-and-2: 1-yard loss by TreVeyon Henderson
2nd-and-1: Incomplete pass
3rd-and-1: 7-yard run by Garrett Wilson (first down)
2nd-and-1: 1-yard loss by TreVeyon Henderson
3rd-and-2: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
4th-and-1: False start penalty by TreVeyon Henderson
1st-and-3: 2-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
2nd-and-1: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson (first down; touchdown)
4th-and-3: Incomplete pass (turnover on downs)
3rd-and-2: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
4th-and-1: 4-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson (first down)
3rd-and-1: 0-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
To recap, that's 15 plays for a total of 18 yards, with just three first downs (20.0% success rate), two penalties, two incompletions (in three attempts), a fumble lost, and a turnover on downs. Not a good showing, to say the least.2nd-and-3: 1-yard run by Miyan Williams
3rd-and-2: Illegal snap penalty on Luke Wypler
3rd-and-2: 1-yard loss by TreVeyon Henderson
2nd-and-1: Incomplete pass
3rd-and-1: 7-yard run by Garrett Wilson (first down)
2nd-and-1: 1-yard loss by TreVeyon Henderson
3rd-and-2: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
4th-and-1: False start penalty by TreVeyon Henderson
1st-and-3: 2-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
2nd-and-1: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson (first down; touchdown)
4th-and-3: Incomplete pass (turnover on downs)
3rd-and-2: 1-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
4th-and-1: 4-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson (first down)
3rd-and-1: 0-yard run by TreVeyon Henderson
The obvious tendency is to blame the offensive line in short yardage failures, but the Buckeye coaching staff for some reason insisted on running into the teeth of a staunch defense, with predictable results. When the play calling deviated from the norm, the results were generally good: a 7-yard run for a first down on a jet sweep; a 3-yard gain on a completed pass that would have resulted in a first down but for a fumble; an incompletion where C.J. Stroud inexplicably missed a wide-open Chris Olave in the end zone; and an incompletion; in other words, a successful play, two plays that would have been successful but for human error (i.e., good play call, bad execution), and an unsuccessful play.
6. Like most of the team, TreVeyon Henderson had a weird game. In the first half, he had 9 carries for just 6 yards. He warmed up slightly at the beginning of the third quarter, as his first 3 carries went for 14 yards, before he reverted to first half form with 2 carries for 0 yards and a false start from the Penn State 2-yard line. Then with 4:17 left in the third quarter, Henderson made his highlight reel play, a 68-yard jaunt (his longest run of the year) that took the ball down to the Penn State 3-yard line, from where he would score his only touchdown two plays later. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line, Henderson had 11 carries for 62 yards (5.64 average), but was again stuffed for no gain on 3rd-and-goal from the 1-yard line. Overall, Henderson had 28 carries for 152 yards (5.43 average) and a TD, which is probably good enough to keep him in the Heisman discussion ... for 2022.
7. All in all, the defense played a very good game: they held Penn State to 33 yards rushing on 29 carries (1.1 average); forced three turnovers (2 fumbles, interception); scored points (a scoop six from Jerron Cage); had four sacks, four other TFLs, five hurries, and a batted pass (by Haskell Garrett on Penn State's final drive); and held Penn State to 2 yards or less on nearly half (39/81) of their plays. The defensive line looked especially good, in large part because Tyreke Smith decided to end his season-long slumber and play like the future first rounder that he's supposed to be. In his 6th year of college football, Antwuan Jackson is finally playing like a former top-50 recruit; Javontae Jean-Baptiste and Taron Vincent provided valuable support; and J.T. Tuimoloau looks like the Next Big Thing along the defensive line; only Zach Harrison continues to disappoint.
8. "All in all the defense played a very good game." Of course, that implies that the defense did not always play well, and third down was their Achilles heel. Penn State converted 11/18 (.611) third downs, including five of at least five yards. Even still there was a slight silver lining, as the Buckeye defense forced incompletions on both of Penn State's third down attempts in the fourth quarter when the game was in the balance.
9. The play of the game (and possibly the season) was undoubtedly 57-yard fumble return for a touchdown by Jerron Cage, the 5th-longest scoop-and-score in Ohio State history. By my count, the big man (listed at 305 pounds, but someone must've transposed those last two digits) took a full NINE SECONDS to rumble, stumble, bumble his way into the end zone, but for some reason none of the Penn State players tried to chase him down. Maybe they were in awe seeing the earth shake as Cage thundered down the sideline. Or maybe they were just laughing their asses off. In any event, Cage's scoop six immediately enters my list of favorite Buckeye plays of all time, and it is unquestionably the greatest fat man TD in Ohio State history.
10. Ohio State had 10 penalties for 74 yards, which included a targeting that was probably legit under the stupid rule as written but clearly was not a dangerous hit; a roughing the passer that was in no way, shape, or form rough; a questionable pass interference; and SEVEN procedure penalties (5 false starts, 2 illegal snaps), including three on one drive and two on another. Meanwhile, Penn State had 7 penalties for 56 yards, but literally tackled Buckeye pass rushers on consecutive plays without drawing flags for holding (or mugging or raping or something). Big Ten officials are generally bad, but last night was truly an abysmal performance from the men (and woman) in stripes.
11. Bottom line: Ohio State still in the playoff hunt; Penn State still not elite.
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Watching MSU/tsun and holy shit what a bad targeting call in the 2nd quarter on Sparty.
Porter's hit on Wilson doesn't get a flag or a review and they call this one to "protect" a running back who was still moving forward.
The idea behind the rule is a good one. The application is so bad it's hard to describe.
Porter's hit on Wilson doesn't get a flag or a review and they call this one to "protect" a running back who was still moving forward.
The idea behind the rule is a good one. The application is so bad it's hard to describe.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Penn State QB Sean Clifford updates injury status, 2022 outlook
Clifford's 2022 outlook was also a topic of discussion on Wednesday. Due to an NCAA eligibility pause last school year, a sixth collegiate campaign is available to him next year.
"I really haven't thought about it that much," he said. "Obviously that's something I want to sit down with coaches and my family, and talk about the pros and cons of everything. I mean, it's not something that really needs to be addressed right now because we have so much season left. I'm just kind of focusing and taking advantage of every opportunity that I have with this team."
Clifford, who turns 24 years old next July, is one of three scholarship quarterbacks on the current roster, along with Roberson (third-year freshman) and Christian Veilleux (true freshman). Penn State is two months away from signing a pair of positional prospects — national No. 1 overall QB recruit Drew Allar and in-state standout Beau Pribula — and both intend to enroll in January.
"When the time presents itself, then I'll start to think about the future," Clifford said. "But obviously we've got a big opportunity. I'm really appreciative of the opportunity that I have in front of myself and this team, so it'd be stupid to think about anything else but that."
Entire article: https://247sports.com/college/penn-...ll-QB-Sean-Clifford-updates-injury-173972462/
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I thought this was his sixth year.
JFC.
Well, you know he isn't getting drafted and you've seen what they have behind him. Seems a solid bet he comes back.
Can we put the 5 L's in his name? Are there enough character spaces if he comes back for his sixth?
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Want to see how a Penn State writer grades the game?
REPORT CARD: No. 20 Penn State falls short at No. 5 Ohio State
COACHING
I was all over the staff following the previous two losses. But Penn State was well-prepared in this game — physically and mentally. Again, it only served to highlight how ill-prepared the team was against Iowa and Illinois. But I’ll stop beating that dead horse now and offer up my coaching grade for this game…
Grade: B
INTANGIBLES
The Nittany Lions played with an edge that we had not seen since the shutout of Indiana. Were they perfect? Of course not. But had you not known what either of these teams had been through this season PRIOR to Saturday and dropped in on this game, you never would have known one was nearly a three-touchdown favorite.
Grade: A
OTHER GUY
Ryan Day is obviously a very good coach. His team unexpectedly found itself in a tight game — and even trailing — and the Buckeyes never blinked. They made big plays when it mattered. Overall, this game — to me — was not an instance of Ohio State playing down to a lower-ranked opponent. I thought Penn State showed more of what it really is all about, and the Buckeyes were prepared for the challenge.
Grade: B+
OFFICIALS
When Ohio State is flagged a dozen times for 91 yards in the Horseshoe while the opponent is flagged five times for 39 yards, it is difficult for anyone to argue that home-cooking was in play. Overall, it seemed like a pretty fair whistle.
Grade: B
CROWD
The crowd of 102,951 was good, but really did not impact the game. We drop things way down here for the fans storming the field when all was said and done. I GUESS it can be viewed as some sort of sign of respect for Penn State. But the Lions closed as 18.5-point underdogs and the ending was not exactly edge-of-your-seat stuff. JV move by the fans of a big-time program.
Grade: D
All the other grades in the entire article: https://247sports.com/college/penn-...ort-at-No-5-Ohio-State-174131280/#174131280_8
At least Day was graded higher than Franklin.....
REPORT CARD: No. 20 Penn State falls short at No. 5 Ohio State
COACHING
I was all over the staff following the previous two losses. But Penn State was well-prepared in this game — physically and mentally. Again, it only served to highlight how ill-prepared the team was against Iowa and Illinois. But I’ll stop beating that dead horse now and offer up my coaching grade for this game…
Grade: B
INTANGIBLES
The Nittany Lions played with an edge that we had not seen since the shutout of Indiana. Were they perfect? Of course not. But had you not known what either of these teams had been through this season PRIOR to Saturday and dropped in on this game, you never would have known one was nearly a three-touchdown favorite.
Grade: A
OTHER GUY
Ryan Day is obviously a very good coach. His team unexpectedly found itself in a tight game — and even trailing — and the Buckeyes never blinked. They made big plays when it mattered. Overall, this game — to me — was not an instance of Ohio State playing down to a lower-ranked opponent. I thought Penn State showed more of what it really is all about, and the Buckeyes were prepared for the challenge.
Grade: B+
OFFICIALS
When Ohio State is flagged a dozen times for 91 yards in the Horseshoe while the opponent is flagged five times for 39 yards, it is difficult for anyone to argue that home-cooking was in play. Overall, it seemed like a pretty fair whistle.
Grade: B
CROWD
The crowd of 102,951 was good, but really did not impact the game. We drop things way down here for the fans storming the field when all was said and done. I GUESS it can be viewed as some sort of sign of respect for Penn State. But the Lions closed as 18.5-point underdogs and the ending was not exactly edge-of-your-seat stuff. JV move by the fans of a big-time program.
Grade: D
All the other grades in the entire article: https://247sports.com/college/penn-...ort-at-No-5-Ohio-State-174131280/#174131280_8
At least Day was graded higher than Franklin.....
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