Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

[Gatorubet]

That sentence is borderline insulting to me.

Well then - let me issue a borderline apology :p

I think that there are a great many of us Buckeye fans that watch a lot more college football than the typical SEC fan. I believe that many SEC fans watch very few games that don't involve SEC teams, partly due to a feeling that non-SEC games don't matter.

I thought I had conveyed adequately that tOSU fans were as good and loyal and crazy and knowledgeable and fun a group as our own nut jobbers...present company (me) included. So the statement about following Vandy and Kentucky is not something y'all would do was meant to address the rest of your conference, and not tOSU fans.

I am sorry for the lack of clarity on that post. It reads in a manner that more reasonably could be taken as me saying "but tOSU fans would not watch a perhaps meaningless non-conference game". I meant to convey that most of the Big-10 Brothers fans would not. Please accept my apology... you thin skinned badger buggerer.

 

[BB73]

Please accept my apology... you thin skinned badger buggerer.

Apology accepted.

And my skin isn't all that thin. Regarding the other part of your statement, you don't have pictures, do you? Because I'll deny that if you don't.

 

[kentuckbuck]

"A-F-C North"..."A-F-C North"..."A-F-C North"...

UBet taught me...although I hate the Steeler's :)

 

[Gatorubet]

Wait - there are individual programs in the SEC?

Deety, in honor of your comment I changed my avatar to better represent the nature of the individual programs in the SEC. :p

 

[Gatorubet]

Apology accepted.

And my skin isn't all that thin.

Sir, now I am the aggrieved party.

I was merely stating that you buggered thin skinned badgers.

 

[Coqui]

Negative, as seen by this photo I took at the 2008 BCS championship game:

One of those 2 is indeed female fyi

But according to SEC teams, wearing jerseys is for kids, and tacky! (At least the LSU, Florida, and Arkansas fans I've talked to)

 

[Steve19]

Ord, I did not invent cause and effect. Blame Mr. Pearson for correlation and dependence and standard deviation. No matter how Josh spins the fact that it makes zero difference how much you oversign within conference as a predictor of success, when you look at the programs that oversign and those who don't you see absolutely no positive impact on the win-loss table. So I refuse to blindly accept the fact that the reason the SEC is kicking ass and taking names in the BCS bowls, and a significant reason that the poor souls who get their asses kicked were kicked, is because the evil SEC cheated their way to another win via oversigning.

To those of you who are arguing that we can disregard the amount of oversigning that non-successful conferences do, and that oversigning is only a significant and effective when the SEC does it, you need to explain to me why that is an acceptable working hypothesis.

Fallacy in your theory. You compare teams against each other, when you should compare teams against what they would have achieved without oversigning.

How about a longitudinal analysis of SEC computer power ratings and amount of oversigning? That is, a multilevel model across the last two decades or so (whatever data is available) with an objective measure of performance as the dependent variable and oversigning as the predictor (or lagged predictor).

If one of you guys is in sports science, I would argue that would be a publishable study in a good journal.

 

[BB73]

I was merely stating that you buggered thin skinned badgers.

I do appreciate that you avoided stating that I buggered fat badgers, which allows me to retain some semblance of standards.

 

[Steve19]

I do appreciate that you avoided stating that I buggered fat badgers, which allows me to retain some semblance of standards.

TTIWWP

 

[Gatorubet]

Fallacy in your theory. You compare teams against each other, when you should compare teams against what they would have achieved without oversigning.

How about a longitudinal analysis of SEC computer power ratings and amount of oversigning? That is, a multilevel model across the last two decades or so (whatever data is available) with an objective measure of performance as the dependent variable and oversigning as the predictor (or lagged predictor).

If one of you guys is in sports science, I would argue that would be a publishable study in a good journal.

You can stop right there. It seems to me that win-loss as a measurable would be a far better measurable than a computer power rating, since the bias of those seem wildly out of sync with on the field performance. We all know the instances of the computer telling us that some never-has- been, never-will-be-team is the f-ing bomb, only to lose their next four games.

And, as always, unless a player winds up qualified academically and in a uniform on the team, the signing of a LOI is meaningless as a measurable. But it would at least create a clearer idea of where the advantage may lie.

 

[matcar]

That Alabama would sell it soul to the devil to get better.....but that a review of Hell's records showed that Bama had sold their soul five times already, so Saban's offer was refused???

Yeah. Bama is full goose crazy. See the "We got 12" t-shirts.

Am I defending the broad brush against the conference? Yeah. Do I think that our BCS success is due to our cheating our way into the winner's circle? No.

I think the SEC and the states that the schools are located in care far more about their football's team's success than the fans in most of the other conferences. We (SEC schools) - as a fan base - have more devoted and crazed fans than any other conference. It is childish in many respects, the way the huge number of folks follow their schools and live and die with every win or loss.

Your fans would fit in well from that perspective. Y'all are well informed, and passionate about the results of every game. Your heroes are icons. But most SEC fans are not only caring who wins their team's games, they will watch Vandy play Kentucky on TV...just because..

Let us not get into the SEC chant thing again here. But think about this: if that is a sign of how seriously they take the success of their freaking conference, then imagine how seriously they take the success of their own program. So seriously that any grey area will be exploited to gain any advantage. Hell, the Big-10 has had one program represent it in the history of the BCSNC. The state of Alabama has had two BCSNC winners!

The Auburn-Bama competition is akin to The Game participants from a hate standpoint, but both of the participants are not only in the same conference, they both are from the same freaking state!!!!! They want to beat their rivals any way they can - and Auburn and Bama are the most likely candidates to be stretching the envelope - or breaking the rules - than any programs in the SEC. So that is my opinion about Bama.

I believe we have reached an accord in this debate. Perhaps we now re-focus our full attention on making fun of Michigan?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

you thin skinned badger buggerer.

Apology accepted.

And my skin isn't all that thin. Regarding the other part of your statement, you don't have pictures, do you? Because I'll deny that if you don't.

The most polite way ever of saying "Fuck Bucky".

 

[Gatorubet]

Adams, Darvin: WR, Auburn
Austin, Marvin: DT, North Carolina
Ayers, Akeem: LB, UCLA
Baldwin, Jon: WR, Pittsburgh
Bowers, Da?Quan: DE, Clemson
Brown, DeAndre: WR, Southern Mississippi
Burton, Brandon: DB, Utah
Casey, Jurrell: DT, Southern California
Clay, John: RB, Wisconsin
Claytor, Nick: T, Georgia Tech
Cobb, Randall: WR, Kentucky
Dareus, Marcell: DE, Alabama
Doss, Tandon: WR, Indiana
Evans, Darren: RB, Virginia Tech
Fairley, Nick: DT, Auburn
Gabbert, Blaine: QB, Missouri
Green, A.J.: WR, Georgia
Gurley, Tori: WR, South Carolina
Guy, Lawrence: DT, Arizona State
Hamler, Jamel: WR, Fresno State
Harper, Jamie: RB, Clemson
Harris, Brandon: DB, Miami
Hill, Will: DB, Florida
Houston, Justin: LB, Georgia
Hynoski, Henry: RB, Pittsburgh
Ingram, Mark: RB, Alabama
Jones, Julio: WR, Alabama
Keiser, Thomas: LB, Stanford
Leshoure, Mikel: RB, Illinois
Lewis, Dion: RB, Pittsburgh
Lewis, Javes: DB, Oregon
Little, Greg: WR, North Carolina
Liuget, Corey: DT, Illinois
Mallett, Ryan: QB, Arkansas
Moore, Rahim: DB, UCLA
Newton, Cam: QB, Auburn
Parr, Zane: DE, Virginia
Peterson, Patrick: DB, Louisiana State
Quinn, Robert: DE, North Carolina
Ridley, Stevan: RB, Louisiana State
Rodgers, Jacquizz: RB, Oregon State
Rudolph, Kyle: TE, Notre Dame
Sands, Robert: DB, West Virginia
Sash, Tyler: DB, Iowa
Siliga, Sealver: DT, Utah
Smith, Aldon: DE, Missouri
Smith, Torrey: WR, Maryland
Smith, Tyron: T, Southern California
Tarrant, Jerrard: DB, Georgia Tech
Todman, Jordan: RB, Connecticut
Vereen, Shane: RB, California
Watt, J.J.: DE, Wisconsin
Wilkerson, Muhammad: DT, Temple
Williams, Aaron: DB, Texas
Williams, Ryan: RB, Virginia Tech
Wilson, Martez: LB, Illinois

The list of underclassmen kids declaring for the draft this year has twice as many SEC players than Big-10 Players. I do not know if this is a pattern or not, or if the numbers hold true over time, but if they do, then 4 X 14 = 56, versus 4 X 7 = 28. The SEC would have an extra 28 slots to fill over four years. Granted, Vandy or Mississippi would not be the ones getting the lion's share of the hits. But over four years that would be an extra 28 slots opened up for SEC programs.

This is the rankest of speculation, and I have no idea if the numbers this year were an anomaly or not, but that is one stat that I would love to see over time, as it might provide a partial explanation for the extra LOIs signed. Or not, of course.

 

[jwinslow]

This year is definitely an anomaly for the big ten. That conference is primarily represented by um and osu, who have zero early entrees.

 

[jwinslow]

Your numbers also say 1 player is lost to the draft per year per team, making that a somewhat minor impact on the oversigning total.