Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

[Gatorubet]

There is also the matter of a national publication making Tressel the face of his revelation with no other examples. Did he seek out James and ask leading questions?

I don't have a problem with a coach telling a kid where he stands. I have a problem with manipulating or pressuring him into leaving if he doesn't want to.

I think this the more likely explanation, given the no numbers problem the year he transferred and the lack of vindictive quotes.

Frankly, I blame Numby and his profession.

p.s. Josh, I go to all the trouble of chumming the water and you do not participate. :p

 

[buckeyesin07]

And he could obviously be an embittered former player taking his shot now that Tress is down and cannot defend himself. Happened to Urban several times as well.

This is what strikes me: That hardly seems to be the language of a person with a vendetta. Very mild accusatory language for a person with an axe to grind.

Why does he have an axe to grind? If it is because he didn't play at OSU, I guess I have an axe to grind with every division 1 team in every sport.

 

[Gatorubet]

Why does he have an axe to grind? If it is because he didn't play at OSU, I guess I have an axe to grind with every division 1 team in every sport.

Only if he was asked to leave to allow a spot to open despite no academic or discipline problems, when the practice (as you say) is to let even walk-ons get scholarships, he might well feel slighted being launched.

But from looking at the link Sportsbuck provided, that allegation is proven false from a look at the actual LOI numbers and vacancies that year.

No oversigning issue that year = no validity to any of that

 

[buckeyesin07]

Only if he was asked to leave to allow a spot to open despite no academic or discipline problems, when the practice (as you say) is to let even walk-ons get scholarships, he might well feel slighted being launched.

But from looking at the link Sportsbuck provided, that allegation is proven false from a look at the actual LOI numbers and vacancies that year.

No oversigning issue that year = no validity to any of that

Gotcha. I seriously wonder what was going on with the whole oversigning issue and freeing up spots quotes in light of the numbers. Kind of disappointing to see those kind of quotes if they're directly refuted by the facts.

 

[jwinslow]

Alabama’s March to 85 Finished?

Darrington Sentimore is Alabama's 12th scholarship player to leave the roster since Saban signed 24 on NSD

Much like last year, Alabama is one of the few teams in the country to lose double-digit players post NSD. Quick, name another school that has lost 21 scholarships players between NSD and August over the last 2 years. That's an entire recruiting class. And 6 of those 21 were medical hardships.

South Carolina: Bryce Sherman Update

Sherman, a 5-foot-4 backup wide receiver who served as the team’s primary kickoff returner last season, said he first learned his position with the team might be in jeopardy a little more than a week ago. His fears were confirmed Tuesday in a meeting with Spurrier.
“They just said they got better players over the last year,” Sherman said. “Everybody they recruited committed and that never happens. And then everybody qualified (academically) and that never happens.”
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Sherman confirmed that. He said he was aware that his scholarship was a year-to-year deal, not a four-year pact between school and student-athlete. He said players at South Carolina are also aware that they are competing for their roster spots.
”It is what it is,” Sherman said. “It’s a business. I don’t think it’s fair, but it’s not my call.”
An astute observation for a 21-year-old. It is a business and it’s not fair. Those are the realities of big-time college athletics. But need they be?

 

[osugrad21]

It is fair to note Bryce Sherman is also a walk-on (5'4, 157lbs) to the football team who had an initial schollie in Track. As soon as he hit the football field to help SC's awful return game, football had to absorb that scholarship.

 

[jwinslow]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s"]‪I reject your reality and substitute my own.‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Thanks for the clarification. The bama thing was the more noteworthy article, as many schools have kids helped out the door, just not at alarming rates like that.

 

[Gatorubet]

‪I reject your reality and substitute my own.‬‏ - YouTube

Thanks for the clarification. The bama thing was the more noteworthy article, as many schools have kids helped out the door, just not at alarming rates like that.

True dat! The recent SEC rule changes were essentially Saban & Nutt & (more recently) Spurrier directed changes - especially as it relates to medical red shirts.

 

[Muck]

The Super Bowl of 'Oversigning'

Football fans should ready their scrapbooks for Saturday's game between No. 1 LSU and No. 2 Alabama: They may never see anything like it again.

Based on their dominant results, the Tigers and the Crimson Tide may prove to be two of the best college-football teams in recent decades. To some, though, their achievements are partly due to a controversial practice that's come under heavy fire recently: signing more players than you're allowed to keep.

To promote parity, the NCAA limits the 120 teams in the top-tier Football Bowl Subdivision to 85 scholarship athletes each. No more than 25 incoming recruits are allowed to join a team each fall. But in some cases, teams have offered scholarships to more players than they can accommodate under those limits.

This tactic, called "oversigning," helps teams by giving them more options. Alabama has signed 137 players over the past five years, for an average of 27.4 per year. It signed 32 in 2008?a class that included nine starters on this year's team, plus Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram. This total places Alabama among the top five nationally in oversigning.

LSU has signed 126 players over the same period, which works out to 25.2 per year. That number is considerably lower than Alabama's but higher than many other top teams.

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds, whose football team has signed just 112 players over five years (25 fewer than Alabama) said oversigning is "certainly an advantage."

Alabama officials declined to comment. Michael Bonnette, an LSU spokesman, said that since the school's current coach, Les Miles, arrived, the school's signing classes have been "either at the NCAA limit of permitted enrollees or just one or two above." He said LSU has "in no way benefited from signing more players than other programs."

One of the downsides of oversigning is that teams that do it often have to find ways to cull players from the roster. Last season, The Wall Street Journal described the fate of several Alabama players who said they were asked to take "medical" scholarships that banned them from competing again for the Crimson Tide?even though the players said they were healthy enough to play.

..../cont/...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Sign
Everyone
Conference

 

[Oh8ch]

An adult coach with a salary asks a kid to falsify a request for medical scholarship so his team can obtain a direct competitive advantage and nothing happens.

A teenage amateur sells his own property and is suspended.


No exploitation here.

 

[TooTall]

The Super Bowl of 'Oversigning'

Fuck "The Game of the Century" moniker.... I like that title! "The Super Bowl of Oversigning"

 

[MaliBuckeye]

From earlier this week:

However, for the people who argue that there?s no advantages to oversigning, I offer this- it would be possible to play a game between these two schools using only the athletes who signed on National Signing Day but did not complete their careers for both schools. The exception are those players who chose to play another professional sport- they remain on the list, but won?t be used for this exercise.

...

Both rosters are deep- even beyond this lineups listed above, each would have enough at most positions to give a breather to the players on the field; particularly at the ?skill? positions. LSU would have an additional six players on their sidelines, and the Crimson Tide would have ten backups available.Read that correctly- over a 5 year period LSU has had about 5 student per year ?move on? to other opportunities; Alabama?s numbers are closer to seven per year. New athletes to replace the old- either incoming freshman or transfers with stellar pedigrees (Duron Carter, anyone?).


You?d think that, given the caliber and qualifications of each coach, and given the huge amount of money they are earning each week, these extra players could be ?coached up? to fill in at positions they are not used to playing. Although, it?s interesting to wonder how much ?coaching? goes on when each year you have the possibility of merely replacing someone that?s not working out? particularly when their ?working out? might impact your ability to profit as a part of your contract.

...

Because, ultimately, the chance to play in the ?Game Of The Century? isn?t the biggest loss for students who are no longer granted scholarships and must take their academic and athletic careers elsewhere. Given the short lifespan that the athletic career of any person has, the fact that this may be done without thought to the longer implications on a person?s experiences post-university is a shame. Students who are no longer with a program may have to sit out one year if they choose to transfer, are often responsible for the financial burden of their academic careers, and might find that interest in their abilities on the field have waned once they do start thinking about life after football.


But, by then the crowds will be screaming someone else?s name during the next ?Game Of The Century?.

 

[Muck]

Ohio State

Alabama

 

[Gatorubet]

Ohio State

Alabama

Damn. Now Saban's killing them to open a spot.