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We're THE Ohio State Buckeyes. We should probably bring stretchers for the badgers this weekend.
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We're THE Ohio State Buckeyes. We should probably bring stretchers for the badgers this weekend.
kn1f3party
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The last time we lost to Northwestern, we beat Wisconsin 31-6 in Columbus. That was a different coach, but maybe we can duplicate that. Unfortunately we lost 4 that season.
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Buckeyehead
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Meanwhile, over on "B'nuts" they want to bench all the starters and fire all the coaches.
They're so cute at that age.
They're so cute at that age.
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
The option is a good play if you catch them off guard. Nobody expected it in 02. Everybody knew what Frey was gonna run.
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to continue the highjacking;
You have to remember the situation that option by Frey was run in. 4th and short deep in our own territory with time running out vs scUM. All Coop had to do was punt it away and hold on to get another "victory".
But nooooo, the genius decides to call an option for the first time all freakin year, it gets stuffed, scUM takes over on downs, kills the clock and kicks the game winner as time expires.
Then it was on to the Air Force debacle......
You have to remember the situation that option by Frey was run in. 4th and short deep in our own territory with time running out vs scUM. All Coop had to do was punt it away and hold on to get another "victory".
But nooooo, the genius decides to call an option for the first time all freakin year, it gets stuffed, scUM takes over on downs, kills the clock and kicks the game winner as time expires.
Then it was on to the Air Force debacle......
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A good breakdown of the offense (from BN)
I'm not sure if this guy posts over here but it sounds like he spent a lot of time putting this together and I think it's worth sharing.
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after further review <HR SIZE=1>to prove what an incredibly obsessive compulsive fan I am. I watched the game again (I had tivo'd it) It was painfull to watch at first but, I got over it. I wanted to watch it to try to objectively break down the offense and see what is really going on here.
I watched every offensive play in the game. I would first pause it when the teams came up to the line to identify the formation of the offense and the d. then watch the play at live speed once, rewind and then watch it in slow motion...sometimes frame by frame. I payed a lot of attention to the offensive line and to zwick and his delivery. I really studied each lineman and how they interacted as a unit. I studied zwick and how he read the d at the line of scrimmage did he audible, his drops/footwork, throwing motion etc.
the only thing I couldn't do is see the wr's routes downfield but thats allright b/c I was really most interested in zwick, the oline and the strategy/play calling.(Hey I told you it was an obsessive compulsive pursuit)
conclusions;
1. this offense is not overly simplistic or vanilla. we do not need to "open up the playbook" this rallying cry is ridiculous. we threw the ball six less times than nw did. and if zwick had not run the ball TWELVE times(all scrambles 0 qb draws) we would've had more pass attempts than nw. we probably threw on first down more often than we ran it. my #1 point in this argument is that the o is not too predictable or any of the things you guys have been calling it...unless you want to do the run and shoot. we did have backs out in pass patterns all the time, we did throw screens we did try to hit the t.e we did throw deep, short, intermediate, we spread it around...I can't harp on this point enough. the offensive scheme is aggressive.
2. the oline is ok. simms is a great pass blocker but only average run blocker. datish is our best run blocker but he needs help pass blocking. mangold is great but he's a little small and is susceptible to bigger dt's bull rushing him(hawthorne is going to be a nuisance this week, no way around it.)kne is pretty solid in all areas-but spectacular in none. schaeffer is a very good pass blocker but our worst run blocker. downing is big and quick but he needs a lot of work...looked lost a lot. barton is in the same mold as schaeffer.
we have problems running the ball because one of these guys constantly misses his block. It's not like its one particular guy messing up all the time they all make mistakes and it kills the ground game. I can't tell you how many times we were one block away from busting big runs. and its not like our olineman are totally wiffing, but four guys make good blocks and one guy is just getting a 1/2 way decent block and it blows up the whole play. when these guys get on the same page there will be holes. the pass blocking is pretty good as is.
2. the rb's are all average. pittman would be my choice to get the most carries because he runs aggresively and hits the hole quickly. lydell waits too long in the backfield for something big to open up. joe is nice between the tackles but he's not a 20 carry/game guy. pittman and ross are about the same, pittman is just running with more confidence.
The days of the iso are dead. we run latterally now with lots of pulling gaurds/zone blocking(like iowa, the back gets the ball and its up to him to find the hole) and we need a great back to read the blocks and hit the holes.
bottom line to the running game is that the o line is ok and improving and the backs are ok but neither is spectacular and when one is on the other invariably screws up.
3. zwick. his drops are a little slow. his footwork in general is a little bad. and he loves to put his foot in the bucket. but I like him a lot.
I was a smith fan all spring summer and still think he's a fine qb. tress doesn't want the qb controversy (remember hoying/powers? jackson/germaine? two qb's is not the answer) so he's picked his guy and he's not turning back.
zwick showed a lot of character leading the team back into the game in the fourth quarter. he throws a pretty nice ball bu he makes all the mistakes a young qb makes...i.e locks on wr's, gets happy feet, forces some throws. this is what young qb's do! he will be a great qb by his sr year. remember how much you hated bobby hoying in 94 and how much you loved him in 95? same thing here. given time to mature zwick will be a very good qb. maybe the best osu has ever had.
I like this team but we can't ask too much too soon. give these kids some time to mature without crippling their confidence and they'll be great in 05-06.
If anyone has read this entire post I congratulate you on your dilligence! and of course...GO BUCKS!!
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I'm not sure if this guy posts over here but it sounds like he spent a lot of time putting this together and I think it's worth sharing.
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I watched every offensive play in the game. I would first pause it when the teams came up to the line to identify the formation of the offense and the d. then watch the play at live speed once, rewind and then watch it in slow motion...sometimes frame by frame. I payed a lot of attention to the offensive line and to zwick and his delivery. I really studied each lineman and how they interacted as a unit. I studied zwick and how he read the d at the line of scrimmage did he audible, his drops/footwork, throwing motion etc.
the only thing I couldn't do is see the wr's routes downfield but thats allright b/c I was really most interested in zwick, the oline and the strategy/play calling.(Hey I told you it was an obsessive compulsive pursuit)
conclusions;
1. this offense is not overly simplistic or vanilla. we do not need to "open up the playbook" this rallying cry is ridiculous. we threw the ball six less times than nw did. and if zwick had not run the ball TWELVE times(all scrambles 0 qb draws) we would've had more pass attempts than nw. we probably threw on first down more often than we ran it. my #1 point in this argument is that the o is not too predictable or any of the things you guys have been calling it...unless you want to do the run and shoot. we did have backs out in pass patterns all the time, we did throw screens we did try to hit the t.e we did throw deep, short, intermediate, we spread it around...I can't harp on this point enough. the offensive scheme is aggressive.
2. the oline is ok. simms is a great pass blocker but only average run blocker. datish is our best run blocker but he needs help pass blocking. mangold is great but he's a little small and is susceptible to bigger dt's bull rushing him(hawthorne is going to be a nuisance this week, no way around it.)kne is pretty solid in all areas-but spectacular in none. schaeffer is a very good pass blocker but our worst run blocker. downing is big and quick but he needs a lot of work...looked lost a lot. barton is in the same mold as schaeffer.
we have problems running the ball because one of these guys constantly misses his block. It's not like its one particular guy messing up all the time they all make mistakes and it kills the ground game. I can't tell you how many times we were one block away from busting big runs. and its not like our olineman are totally wiffing, but four guys make good blocks and one guy is just getting a 1/2 way decent block and it blows up the whole play. when these guys get on the same page there will be holes. the pass blocking is pretty good as is.
2. the rb's are all average. pittman would be my choice to get the most carries because he runs aggresively and hits the hole quickly. lydell waits too long in the backfield for something big to open up. joe is nice between the tackles but he's not a 20 carry/game guy. pittman and ross are about the same, pittman is just running with more confidence.
The days of the iso are dead. we run latterally now with lots of pulling gaurds/zone blocking(like iowa, the back gets the ball and its up to him to find the hole) and we need a great back to read the blocks and hit the holes.
bottom line to the running game is that the o line is ok and improving and the backs are ok but neither is spectacular and when one is on the other invariably screws up.
3. zwick. his drops are a little slow. his footwork in general is a little bad. and he loves to put his foot in the bucket. but I like him a lot.
I was a smith fan all spring summer and still think he's a fine qb. tress doesn't want the qb controversy (remember hoying/powers? jackson/germaine? two qb's is not the answer) so he's picked his guy and he's not turning back.
zwick showed a lot of character leading the team back into the game in the fourth quarter. he throws a pretty nice ball bu he makes all the mistakes a young qb makes...i.e locks on wr's, gets happy feet, forces some throws. this is what young qb's do! he will be a great qb by his sr year. remember how much you hated bobby hoying in 94 and how much you loved him in 95? same thing here. given time to mature zwick will be a very good qb. maybe the best osu has ever had.
I like this team but we can't ask too much too soon. give these kids some time to mature without crippling their confidence and they'll be great in 05-06.
If anyone has read this entire post I congratulate you on your dilligence! and of course...GO BUCKS!!
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BuckeyeBru
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FCollinsBuckeye said:
I can't help thinking about some Vince Lombardi quotes. he reminds me of Woody.
Teams do not go physically flat, but they go mentally stale.
The harder you work, the harder it is to lose.
Winning is not a sometime thing -- it's an all time thing.
You don't do things right once in a while, you do them right all the time
All right Mister, let me tell you what winning means: you're willing to go longer, work harder, give more than anyone else.
The only way to reconcile a loss-if I know every man gave everything on every play-and if not- why?
Maybe JT should be asked that question. I know he won a NC with Cooper's boys, but this is his team we are seeing. We lost spencer, dontanio and replaced them with relatives and old friends.
If you can't accept losing, you can't win.<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P> <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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Prof and I discussed the offense last night...I agree with the poster that the problem lies in execution more than playcalling. Missed assignments are killing the Offense
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I agree. How many games over the past 3 years did we give up 27 point in regulation? Hopefully the defense can nut up this week because they are going to be tested by Wiscy.KillerNut said:
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BuckeyeInTheBoro
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I have no problem with the O at all (OK, I'd like it if we could run the ball)... they did enough to win the game.
The defensive play-calling is the only thing that still has me scratching my head.
The defensive play-calling is the only thing that still has me scratching my head.
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FKAGobucks877
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I admire your trying to put a positive spin on this, Mili, and I agree with everything you said. But I also think the negatives far outweigh the positives. As I have stated before, in other threads, my biggest concern on Saturday was the fact that no defensive changes were made anytime during the game, or after halftime. That said, after having more time to review and reflect upon the game, and after having read this thread, I think what tOSU team most obviously lacks so far this year is leadership. There is no Mike Doss or Craig Krenzel on this team, there doesn't appear to be a "veteran" leader who can get this team fired up, or impart his "wisdom", so to speak, to the rest of the team. Hopefully a leader emerges soon, but I'm not sure I know who that would be. There aren't a whole lot of seniors on this team, and none of them appear to be vocal leaders. Hopefully somebody will emerge...
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Hawg, I'm anxious to see the defense against a "traditional" offense...this spread garbage is killing the youth.exhawg said:
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