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OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

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Great to have Keyshawn on board!! Is he for sure staying in college?

I am not sure if Cunningham will still be visiting, but I do not see him overlapping with Keyshawn either way, and they have a spot open regardless. I see Mr. Woods as a replacement for Kam Williams - and quite possibly an upgrade if you look at all-around game, although it is hard to find a knock down shooter as good as Kam. Cunningham may be the pure PG type that the team is lacking.
 
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The Cunningham visit is off now. Landis reports that OSU is done adding for next season.

While it stinks not to have another sure PG option on the roster besides CJ, I get it. Add another grad transfer and suddenly the backcourt is a little overstuffed. I think Holtmann saw the need to add an older, more proven player and got one in Woods, with the very important bonus of him being a ACC-level double digit scorer, but he doesn't want to put his roster in a situation where he is trying to juggle too many guys. He wants to give guys like Muhammad and Washington opportunity to play and grow in this first year, as they will be major factors going forward.

Love that we got Woods. I was really worried about our offense next season. Now I at least feel we have enough pieces between CJ, Woods, and Kaleb to build around and for other guys to make some contributions that can fill in the gaps without having to ask some returning guys to quadruple their scoring or some incoming freshmen to average double digits efficiently (though we are still going to need some guys to step up in various ways... I am hoping for a general assembly of offensive help around our "Big Three").
 
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DZ83CK said:
I see Mr. Woods as a replacement for Kam Williams - and quite possibly an upgrade if you look at all-around game, although it is hard to find a knock down shooter as good as Kam.
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that's pretty much how i'm seeing woods and what i'm expecting of him. though he may be a slightly worse jump shooter than kam was last year (or he may be as good or better; we'll see), woods is certainly a more rounded scorer. he has that "old man in the rec league" game where he won't beat you with the first step, but he'll body you up if you're crowding him outside. not many guards initiate and drive through contact like woods does. though primarily a spot-up shooter, he appears to understand the adage that if your defender is bigger and/or more athletic, get into his chest. woods praised our weight training program for a reason.

also, woods projects to be a more reliable scorer. excluding the game where he was injured, he had only 7 games last season of single-digit points compared to 17 for kam despite averaging about the same minutes. now the rebuttal to this point, however, is that woods averaged 9.5 in conference play versus 8.3 for kam. very similar. let's hope woods regains his sophomore form where he averaged 13.1 in conference play on much better shooting.

i hate sounding like i'm talking down kam, though. he was a breath of fresh air and a major force after the return from suspension. by no means do we get past south dakota state if not for him donning the cape.
 
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wigmon said:
More rounded on offense than Kam (can backup at the point), but not as athletic and a downgrade on D. He checks some boxes of need, but overall, probably about an even up trade off with Kam.
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Really? I never thought Kam played all that great of defense or, for that matter, was all that athletic (open gym athleticism does not necessarily translate to in-game athleticism).
 
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Oh8ch said:
Always felt that Kam was good at D athletically, but was lacking in the mental game.
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This. He would get out of position at times, but he was pretty good on the ball and had good lateral quickness and overall above average athleticism. Dakich was someone who wasn't very quick/athletic, but was very good defensively off the ball because of positioning and understanding good defensive principles, but would get beaten like a drum off the dribble. Woods is somewhere in between Dakich and Kam as far as athleticism goes. He was WF's second leading scorer, but didn't start, mainly because of his defense.

I think Woods will definitely score more than Kam as he is an efficient player on offense and will get a lot more opportunities with Tate and KBD gone. I'd rather have Woods on this years team than last years because he does have a more diverse offensive skill set. On last years team, Kam filled the need of a shooter pretty well.
 
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General comment on basketball recruiting: we may have hit the point where the Jim O'Brien approach to recruiting (look to get players ranked 50-120) will succeed over the Calipari model of one-and-dones. Coach Matta seemed to vacillate between the two approaches, which likely didn't help his tenure.

I think Coach Holtmann is doing an incredible job of filling the roster with excellent high-major D1 prospects who nonetheless are likely to stick around for at least 2-3 years. I'm excited to see the results.
 
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MaxBuck said:
General comment on basketball recruiting: we may have hit the point where the Jim O'Brien approach to recruiting (look to get players ranked 50-120) will succeed over the Calipari model of one-and-dones. Coach Matta seemed to vacillate between the two approaches, which likely didn't help his tenure.

I think Coach Holtmann is doing an incredible job of filling the roster with excellent high-major D1 prospects who nonetheless are likely to stick around for at least 2-3 years. I'm excited to see the results.
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Perhaps...as long as we stay the heck out of the Balkans....
 
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MaxBuck said:
General comment on basketball recruiting: we may have hit the point where the Jim O'Brien approach to recruiting (look to get players ranked 50-120) will succeed over the Calipari model of one-and-dones. Coach Matta seemed to vacillate between the two approaches, which likely didn't help his tenure.

I think Coach Holtmann is doing an incredible job of filling the roster with excellent high-major D1 prospects who nonetheless are likely to stick around for at least 2-3 years. I'm excited to see the results.
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Yeah, obviously Jay Wright is doing a fine job with some good players, but not one and done types. Roy at UNC hasn't been getting many one and dones either, but has been competing well.

Probably the best scenario is to mix good 3-4 year players with an elite big or PG. Having classes of 3 or 4 one and dones every year just creates too much turnover and Cals one championship year was bolstered by having good upperclassmen (Miller a senior, Jones and Lamb returned for a soph year when they could have gotten drafted, Hood as a transfer though I think he ended up getting hurt). I think the Villanova model is sustainable here, but requires good assistants and player development.
 
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