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Free fall continues. This pretty much cements Gene Smith’s legacy as pretty shitty. Weak vs the NCAA in tattoo gate. Gave up a natty opportunity with a mindless forsaken season. Let the woke mob push Meyer out. Followed instead of led on covid return. Mindless extension of Holtman despite clear signs of CH not being the guy. Good riddance, gene
 
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Dailyn Swain to Texas.
From Eleven Warriors:
"With Swain off the board, remaining transfer targets for the Buckeyes include guards Jalil Bethea (Miami) and Jonathan Powell (West Virginia) and forwards Nick Davidson (Nevada), Colby Duggan (Campbell) and Bryan Etumnu (Merrimack), among others."
My God, if Colby Duggan and Bryan Etumnu are seriously our targets, we are SCREWED. Who the hell is telling our coaches to recruit those guys & why can't we fire them?
 
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I remember last year for some reason our coaches were recruiting Tucker Anderson, a Central Arkansas wing who was in the portal. Luckily, it seemed we had enough wisdom to not put the full court press on the young man, but I believe the Buckeyes did host him for a visit. But why the hell were we recruiting him in the first place? That's what I don't get, why are we linked with random players who aren't good? Tucker Anderson transferred to Utah State and averaged 5 points in 16 minutes a game off the bench. AT UTAH STATE. When will we think maybe there's a problem with our talent evaluation process?
 
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DZ83CK said:
I remember last year for some reason our coaches were recruiting Tucker Anderson, a Central Arkansas wing who was in the portal. Luckily, it seemed we had enough wisdom to not put the full court press on the young man, but I believe the Buckeyes did host him for a visit. But why the hell were we recruiting him in the first place? That's what I don't get, why are we linked with random players who aren't good? Tucker Anderson transferred to Utah State and averaged 5 points in 16 minutes a game off the bench. AT UTAH STATE. When will we think maybe there's a problem with our talent evaluation process?
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Could we even be a player for any of the top guys? Maybe it’s a sign of who the Bucks can realistically get. Sad sad sad.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
Could we even be a player for any of the top guys? Maybe it’s a sign of who the Bucks can realistically get. Sad sad sad.
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It's not ideal. I'm not sure what we're doing, although I believe Bruce Thornton's decision is going to be a big domino that we need to drop. Once we know what's going on with Bruce, we'll be able to move forward with the backcourt. But we're pretty bare in the post, and so I'd like to have heard more about options there other than 1 player. Ideally, if OSU was serious about being a national contender, we'd be adding 2 players that are 6'10" 240# or better. Hopefully OSU has been working to find the right player and we'll come up with a good one, but it's hard to be hopeful when you've been disappointed with the results over the last few years.
 
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DZ83CK said:
I remember last year for some reason our coaches were recruiting Tucker Anderson, a Central Arkansas wing who was in the portal. Luckily, it seemed we had enough wisdom to not put the full court press on the young man, but I believe the Buckeyes did host him for a visit. But why the hell were we recruiting him in the first place? That's what I don't get, why are we linked with random players who aren't good? Tucker Anderson transferred to Utah State and averaged 5 points in 16 minutes a game off the bench. AT UTAH STATE. When will we think maybe there's a problem with our talent evaluation process?
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These are the scraps we are gonna be left with. Players are flying off the board and we have barely seriously been linked to anyone.
 
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DZ83CK said:
I remember last year for some reason our coaches were recruiting Tucker Anderson, a Central Arkansas wing who was in the portal. Luckily, it seemed we had enough wisdom to not put the full court press on the young man, but I believe the Buckeyes did host him for a visit. But why the hell were we recruiting him in the first place? That's what I don't get, why are we linked with random players who aren't good? Tucker Anderson transferred to Utah State and averaged 5 points in 16 minutes a game off the bench. AT UTAH STATE. When will we think maybe there's a problem with our talent evaluation process?
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I think at this point it is clear the program has a culture that has accepted mediocrity - they don't seriously (or consistently) pursue top end high school talent OR top end portal talent.

In some ways you can probably combat that if you lock down the in-state talent, but we can't do that. If you can get a steady stream of 4*'s, develop them for a year and watch them turn into Devin Royal's you can have a great team, but he is the exception. This program has no direction...if I said what type of player does Diebler want, what style of play does he want, what three words define the program, etc. it would be met with silence.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
I think at this point it is clear the program has a culture that has accepted mediocrity - they don't seriously (or consistently) pursue top end high school talent OR top end portal talent.

In some ways you can probably combat that if you lock down the in-state talent, but we can't do that. If you can get a steady stream of 4*'s, develop them for a year and watch them turn into Devin Royal's you can have a great team, but he is the exception. This program has no direction...if I said what type of player does Diebler want, what style of play does he want, what three words define the program, etc. it would be met with silence.
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They are a-ok with taking who will say yes from Ohio and praying to get lucky with some transfers nobody else really wanted. This obviously is not a winning strategy.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
I think at this point it is clear the program has a culture that has accepted mediocrity - they don't seriously (or consistently) pursue top end high school talent OR top end portal talent.

In some ways you can probably combat that if you lock down the in-state talent, but we can't do that. If you can get a steady stream of 4*'s, develop them for a year and watch them turn into Devin Royal's you can have a great team, but he is the exception. This program has no direction...if I said what type of player does Diebler want, what style of play does he want, what three words define the program, etc. it would be met with silence.
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First, let me preface by saying that I know Thad Matta is not a realistic program standard. In fact, I have been one of those preaching that since he started his decline over his last couple of seasons. But, that doesn't mean we should accept 17-15 seasons as the new norm. With the portal, building competitive/championship teams is easier than ever before. You just have to be serious about NIL. Right now, I strongly suspect we are not serious about NIL.

Historically, tOSU is a .611 program. That equates to ~ 20-12 a season today. Most years, that should get you into the tournament coming out of the B1G. Thad Matta was at his best for 9 seasons (2006-2014) here and went 255-71 (.782) in that span with 8 NCAA berths, and 2 Final Fours. That's probably not a realistic standard over that long of a span unless you luck into another program shifting coach like Thad. Now, is that impossible? Certainly not. Not if you're serious about being a top program. I hope I'm wrong, but Diebler does not seem to have the juice needed to move this program beyond mediocrity. He feels like a lazy hire who got the job because he did "okay" for a few weeks and the AD didn't want to go out and pay for anybody else.

Thad's decline seemed to really start with the 2014-15 season. Since then, we've gone 224-144, which is just a hair below our historical norm at .609. But, we've made just 5 NCAA's in those 11 years and have never reached the Sweet-16. In 11 years, this team has missed the tournament 6 times and never got past the round of 32. That is unacceptable for a basketball program with tOSU's resources. Another wild stat, during Matta's peak, he lost 10 games or more just 3/9 seasons. tOSU has lost <10 just once in the 11 seasons since (25-9 in Holtmann's first year).

This is not a blue blood program, so expecting us to be elite regularly is probably unrealistic, but we sure as shit should be doing better than we have the last decade.

Until we start taking basketball seriously, I fear we're likely a bubble team at best. At worst, we could be facing a total collapse of the program and I don't think that's unlikely given how we've been recruiting and what our approach seems to be to the portal. Maybe a total collapse is what is needed to wake the AD up. Or maybe he just doesn't care.
 
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NFBuck said:
First, let me preface by saying that I know Thad Matta is not a realistic program standard. In fact, I have been one of those preaching that since he started his decline over his last couple of seasons. But, that doesn't mean we should accept 17-15 seasons as the new norm. With the portal, building competitive/championship teams is easier than ever before. You just have to be serious about NIL. Right now, I strongly suspect we are not serious about NIL.

Historically, tOSU is a .611 program. That equates to ~ 20-12 a season today. Most years, that should get you into the tournament coming out of the B1G. Thad Matta was at his best for 9 seasons (2006-2014) here and went 255-71 (.782) in that span with 8 NCAA berths, and 2 Final Fours. That's probably not a realistic standard over that long of a span unless you luck into another program shifting coach like Thad. Now, is that impossible? Certainly not. Not if you're serious about being a top program. I hope I'm wrong, but Diebler does not seem to have the juice needed to move this program beyond mediocrity. He feels like a lazy hire who got the job because he did "okay" for a few weeks and the AD didn't want to go out and pay for anybody else.

Thad's decline seemed to really start with the 2014-15 season. Since then, we've gone 224-144, which is just a hair below our historical norm at .609. But, we've made just 5 NCAA's in those 11 years and have never reached the Sweet-16. In 11 years, this team has missed the tournament 6 times and never got past the round of 32. That is unacceptable for a basketball program with tOSU's resources. Another wild stat, during Matta's peak, he lost 10 games or more just 3/9 seasons. tOSU has lost <10 just once in the 11 seasons since (25-9 in Holtmann's first year).

This is not a blue blood program, so expecting us to be elite regularly is probably unrealistic, but we sure as shit should be doing better than we have the last decade.

Until we start taking basketball seriously, I fear we're likely a bubble team at best. At worst, we could be facing a total collapse of the program and I don't think that's unlikely given how we've been recruiting and what our approach seems to be to the portal. Maybe a total collapse is what is needed to wake the AD up. Or maybe he just doesn't care.
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The Holtmann extension is still one of the biggest WTFs ever out of Ohio State sports. Right after a rather meh season where they were a 7 seed and got bounced in the 2nd round in the year following the Oral Roberts debacle.

That buyout is probably one of the reasons we ended up with Diebler, he's ridiculously cheap and it helps offset that nonsense.
 
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DaveyBoy said:
Free fall continues. This pretty much cements Gene Smith’s legacy as pretty shitty. Weak vs the NCAA in tattoo gate. Gave up a natty opportunity with a mindless forsaken season. Let the woke mob push Meyer out. Followed instead of led on covid return. Mindless extension of Holtman despite clear signs of CH not being the guy. Good riddance, gene
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:lol: woke mob

this is the definition of finding shit to fit your narrative. we get it. you don't like Gene Smith.
 
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DZ83CK said:
Nick Davidson, the one big man that Eleven Warriors said OSU was recruiting, just committed to Clemson. :panic:
Jonathan Powell committed to UNC.
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Some of us can remember when it was exhilarating following tOSU hoops recruiting. Now it's mostly depressing.
 
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