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OSU A.P.R. even lower!

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This is the first I've heard of this APR thing, and I find it pretty stupid. It seems to me that a team gets punished for the decisions of its individuals.

Whatever happened to punishing the individuals for their own decisions?
 
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Zurp said:
This is the first I've heard of this APR thing, and I find it pretty stupid. It seems to me that a team gets punished for the decisions of its individuals.

Whatever happened to punishing the individuals for their own decisions?
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Well it doesn't really punish a school for the decisions of one or two or three or four individuals, but it does pressure schools to not allow a recurring situation of multiple individuals making poor decisions.
 
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Actually its punishing a school for failing to persuade a number of players from going pro each year. Tressel could have great academics, but if one or two guys screw up (which is pretty standard for a football team) per year, and then 3 go pro, you suddenly have yourself in hot water.

I don't understand why Maurice Clarett and Craig Krenzel are both penalties to a school's APR system. That is what makes no sense. There is clearly a distinction that is ignored.
 
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
Actually its punishing a school for failing to persuade a number of players from going pro each year. Tressel could have great academics, but if one or two guys screw up (which is pretty standard for a football team) per year, and then 3 go pro, you suddenly have yourself in hot water.

I don't understand why Maurice Clarett and Craig Krenzel are both penalties to a school's APR system. That is what makes no sense. There is clearly a distinction that is ignored.
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Your preaching to the choir. The NCAA does say that penalties can be appealed, so hopefully the committee that conducts those appeals would take NFL defections into consideration.
 
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Im calling BS on the above assertion. There was a disadvantage, for semester reporting institutions, and the NCAA fixed it. If UW doesn't like the result, then too freaking bad.
The NCAA correctly viewed quarter based schools as having an advantage in early simple APR accounting. Because of four chances to report, 3 good quarters makes up for one bad one, most drop-outs occur near the end of an academic year - thus a semester instituion has no leeway for a "bad" half year. Hence NCAA provided simple statistical adjustment so that the semester reporting institutions -- like The Ohio State University -- were not put at a disadvantage.
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I'm not sure I agree here. Consider a senior that drops out after fall term to train for the NFL combine (most do). For a semester school, they miss 1/2 of the year (or 1/3, if you count previous summer). For a quarter school, you miss 2/3 of the year (or 2/4 if you count previous summer).

OSU is on quarters.
 
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This is the first I've heard of this APR thing, and I find it pretty stupid.
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I wont argue that this thing has major holes, but we are always whining that ESPN is singling us out for no reason. This is an objective system that is based on objective numbers - not subjective sports writers with an axe to grind. It was imposed by the NCAA, and - lest we forget - the member schools (OSU included) ARE the NCAA.

Its not like we are arguing about why we aren't in the top 10 - we are damn near dead last.
 
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Yes we are quite low but everyone and their mother left the team last year. A lot of the graduating seniors possibly did not finish up their major and instead focused on preparing for the NFL, including true scholars like Krenzel.

Keep in mind that there are almost no drafted players this year, so our seniors are proportionally going to be more focused on their degrees. This year's academics have been great, and it looks like Underwood, Maupin and Dukes should all make it back as students when we thought they were gone.

I think we will be just fine. It is something to be worried about, but at most we will lose one schollie or so and it will all be behind us once the 2004 draft class impact gets averaged out by the improved academics Tressel has brought us.
 
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According to reports from the Bears training camp last summer, Krenzel had his degree in molecular genetics, so I am skeptical that his academic career is going to hurt our APR.
 
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