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OSU A.P.R. even lower!

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No mercy
I dont know if this has been posted yet but here it is from todays Dispatch:

OSU professor confident low numbers can be overcome
Tuesday, May 10, 2005
Rob Oller
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Ohio State’s NCAA academic rating in football isn’t as bad as the Buckeyes were first led to believe.

Actually, it’s worse.

Ohio State dropped from 12 th worst into a tie for fifth worst among 119 Division I-A football schools in poor academic performance, based on corrected data the NCAA uses to measure academic progress.

But the bad news doesn’t automatically translate into trouble for OSU, because yesterday’s updated report and the original that was released in February serve only as a warning system to inform schools of their academic deficiencies.

The NCAA realizes that schools need time to adjust to change, which is why it allowed schools to correct errant data, NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said. Overall, seven sports at OSU had data corrected, four improving (wrestling, women’s indoor and outdoor track and women’s cross country) and three dropping (football, men’s track and women’s volleyball).

Central to the NCAA academic reform package is the Academic Progress Rate (APR) measuring termby-term advancement toward earning a degree for current athletes. Beginning this fall, the NCAA will begin limiting scholarships of teams that fail to meet minimum academic standards. Continued poor performance could lead to further reduction of scholarships, recruiting restrictions and postseason ineligibility.

A perfect score of 1,000 in the NCAA-created formula means every scholarship athlete on a team remained academically eligible and in school that year. Teams that score below 925 are subject to punishment when the ratings begin to count in the 2005-06 school year.

Ohio State’s adjusted football number dropped from 870 to 864, but John Bruno, an OSU professor who serves as liaison between sports and academics, is confident the Buckeyes will avoid punishment.

"We remain optimistic, based on the fact we’ve got systems put into place and coaches who are buying into it," he said. "I think (the recent low numbers) you’ll never, ever see again."

Bruno has other reasons to be optimistic. The current data is based on the 2003-2004 school year, which means the Buckeyes still have the 2004-2005 school year to reach the 925 cutoff. He added that data from 2004 autumn quarter was promising.

"Every team we’ve looked at that has bothersome numbers — men’s basketball, ice hockey, football — we’ve seen their autumn numbers and you’re probably looking at a significantly higher APR," he said.

Also, any team that doesn’t reach 925 by the fall might still avoid scholarship penalties because the NCAA will examine data on a case-by-case basis and make squad-sized adjustments.

For example, a team with a roster of 10 is hurt worse by one athlete dropping out than is a team with a roster of 50.

Also, the fall 2005 APR ratings will be somewhat skewed because the NCAA is considering only data from the previous two-year period. Beginning in fall 2007, the APR will be based on four years of data (2003-07). "So it’s not really until four years from now that the magic number will be 925," Bruno said.
This is getting to be sad...:( To be even lower under a revised system ranking us #112 in the nation is just - I dont know what to say...
 
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BuckeyePride85 said:
...This is getting to be sad...:( To be even lower under a revised system ranking us #112 in the nation is just - I dont know what to say...

Uh, did you miss this part of the article:

Bruno has other reasons to be optimistic. The current data is based on the 2003-2004 school year, which means the Buckeyes still have the 2004-2005 school year to reach the 925 cutoff. He added that data from 2004 autumn quarter was promising.

We'll be fine...
 
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Uh, did you miss this part of the article:
Quote:

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We'll be fine...
Yeah, I hope we will be fine and not slapped with some sort of punishment. Right now as we sit we are optimistic, but you have to be optimistic when you are the 5th worst in the nation and all you can really do is go up....I guess I just pride myself on this university and the degrees I am getting here, so its more than just a football thing to me.
 
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also the fact that they are only looking at 1 year of data.... add in the fact we had, what 5 kids ineligible or kicked out.. it all hurts us.. that's a big hurt..

and regardless of that.. you'd probobaly be shocked what it was before Tressel came on board.. and I think we'll be perfectly fine in '07 when the 925 marker becomes real.
 
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"A perfect score of 1,000 in the NCAA-created formula means every scholarship athlete on a team remained academically eligible and in school that year. Teams that score below 925 are subject to punishment when the ratings begin to count in the 2005-06 school year."

How can you punish the school is a kid drops out, screws up and gets himself kicked out or goes pro early?
 
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AJHawkfan said:
"A perfect score of 1,000 in the NCAA-created formula means every scholarship athlete on a team remained academically eligible and in school that year. Teams that score below 925 are subject to punishment when the ratings begin to count in the 2005-06 school year."

How can you punish the school is a kid drops out, screws up and gets himself kicked out or goes pro early?
How can they say a 4-team playoffs would elongate the season too much and hurt the student part of student-athlete and then add another regular season game for everybody?
 
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AJHawkfan said:
"A perfect score of 1,000 in the NCAA-created formula means every scholarship athlete on a team remained academically eligible and in school that year. Teams that score below 925 are subject to punishment when the ratings begin to count in the 2005-06 school year."

How can you punish the school is a kid drops out, screws up and gets himself kicked out or goes pro early?

Uh, a kid going pro early wouldn't count against the team, since he would no longer be on scholarship. And how many kids on a football team, with a academic free ride, "drop out"? I think they're looking at preventing the Reggie Germanys of the world (0.0 GPA and still playing).
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Uh, a kid going pro early wouldn't count against the team, since he would no longer be on scholarship. And how many kids on a football team, with a academic free ride, "drop out"? I think they're looking at preventing the Reggie Germanys of the world (0.0 GPA and still playing).
He would count against them for the Spring semester that he leaves to go workout.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Uh, a kid going pro early wouldn't count against the team, since he would no longer be on scholarship.

I understand the motivation behind the rule, but I don't know if I agree with you.

For instance: If I'm a junior RB, and I want to declare for the draft, I will do so after the final bowl game, at the latest, Januray 7th or whatever. (I realize it'll be January 14th next year after the extra "playoff" game is added). If I'm not mistaken, the academic year runs through the spring sememster/quarter. If I'm going into the draft, I'm not going to be going to class during that semester/quarter. Would that then count against the program?
 
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AJHawkfan said:
I understand the motivation behind the rule, but I don't know if I agree with you.

For instance: If I'm a junior RB, and I want to declare for the draft, I will do so after the final bowl game, at the latest, Januray 7th or whatever. (I realize it'll be January 14th next year after the extra "playoff" game is added). If I'm not mistaken, the academic year runs through the spring sememster/quarter. If I'm going into the draft, I'm not going to be going to class during that semester/quarter. Would that then count against the program?
If a SA enrolls in the Fall and stays eligible, but does not return for the Spring, he counts as a 1/2 for the school.
 
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Or transfers for more playing time, etc..
Thats why I think this whole thing is incredably stupid.
yeah, i would need to know exactly how this thing works and how the scoring is done before i would consider us "in trouble".

what schools rank higher and what is their scores?
 
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It is interesting to see that the APR is so low, knowing that we led the Big-10 in football players honored for their academic performance each of the past 2 years.

Our numbers will be fine next year, when it really matters.
 
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and regardless of that.. you'd probobaly be shocked what it was before Tressel came on board.. and I think we'll be perfectly fine in '07 when the 925 marker becomes real.
LlyodSev - Seems like its not the 07 when it counts but next year (05-06):

A perfect score of 1,000 in the NCAA-created formula means every scholarship athlete on a team remained academically eligible and in school that year. Teams that score below 925 are subject to punishment when the ratings begin to count in the 2005-06 school year.
 
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