Oregon St. 14, Penn St. 45 (Final)

[txp135]

We should get a steady stream of PSU fans now. All wanting to discuss the merits of the transitive property. But expecting to be taken seriously, unlike 'wrestler.


The truth is:

• OrSU played badly AT crappy valley
• tOSU laid an all-timer of an egg AT the coliseum
• USC is laying their annual egg AT OrSU

PSU is playing AT the 'Shoe, where the circle will become complete.

Where's that steady stream of PSU fans? Oh, just like USC should crush OrSU, it never materialized. Every sane sports fan knows that OrSU beat USC doesn't translate to PSU beating USC or OSU. If that's true then at least half the teams can lay their hands on the National Championship every year because they beat the team that beat the team that beat LSU or FLA.

It seems like couple of you already count the chickens before they hatch.

PSU fans were rooting for OSU when you guys played USC. OSU just never showed up. You're saying that OSU will show up and beat PSU next month. Yes, it could happen. Just like OrSU got pounded by PSU and then showed up for USC. Every great team knows that it doesn't matter how great they are, they have to respect every opponent.

You probably gave up on OSU being a great team this season by pocketing the Big10 championship before you even play one Big10 game. If that's the team's attitude, they're going to lose more than once in the Big10. Remember last year when expectations were not so high as this year? They only lost to ILL because their heads were so full of it.

Remember those undefeated regular season Miami teams that suppose to win the NCs, or the Patriots last season?

OSU won all those Big10 championships because they earned it. This year, OSU haven't earn anything yet.

 

[JXC]

Transitive property worked just fine in 2002. EVERYONE<tOSU

 

[ScriptOhio]

Penn St. is looking like the team to beat in the conference right now.

And because their offense looks smooth and wide open. Better to destroy a team that lost to Stanford (a program on the up) then to get outplayed by a team who just lost to Wyoming.

Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting our teams play to improve AND I think we should beat Penn St. when we play them, but I think had we played Penn St. week 1 or 2, we leave with a loss.

Whether you agree or not, it's certainly not the bat-[censored] crazy 'sky is falling' post that you seem to think it is.

Plus I'm pretty sure Penn St. has a fair amount of starters suspended including an all big ten DE?

Still think i'm crazy for thinking Penn St. is the team to beat?

I still think with Pryor and a healthy C. Wells Ohio State is the "class of the conference". However, Penn State could be the team to beat for 2nd place.

 

[txp135]

I still think with Pryor and a healthy C. Wells Ohio State is the "class of the conference". However, Penn State could be the team to beat for 2nd place.

Yes, and we all thought that USC would steam roll OrSU. Ask the vBank how many of us were right.

 

[JXC]

Yes, and we all thought that USC would steam roll OrSU. Ask the vBank how many of us were right.

Really? How much vCash did you have on that one?

 

[txp135]

None!

I completely forgot that the game was Thursday and I just registered. I only reallize the game was on when it was almost half time. I wanted OrSU to win but also thought that USC would steam roll them. I'm surprised that the bets were so one-sided. I thought the spread is suppose to take of that.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It seems like couple of you already count the chickens before they hatch.

I've posted this or variations of this before, but it bears repeating. In their seven games at The Shoe since joining the conference, PSU has scored in double digits once, and that was the minimum 10 points in 2004.

1993: 6
1996: 7
1998: 9
2000: 6
2002: 7
2004: 10
2006: 6

I highly doubt things will change this year...

 

[BB73]

I've posted this or variations of this before, but it bears repeating. In their seven games at The Shoe since joining the conference, PSU has scored in double digits once, and that was the minimum 10 points in 2004.

1993: 6
1996: 7
1998: 9
2000: 6
2002: 7
2004: 10
2006: 6

I highly doubt things will change this year...

Yeah, but Penn State will be shown in 'HD' this year.

 

[txp135]

The longer the streak the more it's likely to be broken. It does look like PSU will score double digits this year but that doesn't automatically translate to a win. It would take a really nasty defense (or real screw up on PSU's part) to hold PSU to single digit this year, but playing at the Shoe is always tough. Most PSU fans wish that we get OSU and Wisc at Happy Valley this year so we'd have a better chance at the Big10 title. PSU hasn't done well on the road recently, except in bowl games.

I've posted this or variations of this before, but it bears repeating. In their seven games at The Shoe since joining the conference, PSU has scored in double digits once, and that was the minimum 10 points in 2004.

1993: 6
1996: 7
1998: 9
2000: 6
2002: 7
2004: 10
2006: 6

I highly doubt things will change this year...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The longer the streak the more it's likely to be broken. It does look like PSU will score double digits this year but that doesn't automatically translate to a win. It would take a really nasty defense (or real screw up on PSU's part) to hold PSU to single digit this year, but playing at the Shoe is always tough.

In 1993, you had an offense that scored 31+ points eight times that year, and were held to six.

In 1996, you had an offense that scored 31+ points seven times that year, and were held to seven.

In 2002, you had an offense that scored 34+ points eight times (including 58 and 61 points) that year, and were held scoreless after scoring a TD on your opening drive.

The other years, your offense wasn't so great, so holding PSU to a low point total wasn't all that impressive. Still, even when you offense was potent, you got shut down in The Shoe, and this has held true across a decade and a half.

By the time PSU shows up, we'll have played several spread offenses and will have faced TP as the starter in practice for about six weeks' worth of practices. I think we'll be more than ready.

 

[jwinslow]

The longer the streak the more it's likely to be broken.

no, it's not. This is no more rooted in truth than those who think they are 'due' in a series.

Kent state could play osu every year. Their losing streak would be 3-30x that of most osu opp. Wouldn't make them any more likely to win.

Talent makes teams more likely to win.

It does look like PSU will score double digits this year but that doesn't automatically translate to a win. It would take a really nasty defense (or real screw up on PSU's part) to hold PSU to single digit this year, but playing at the Shoe is always tough.

probably, but with last year's ooc performance, it's tough not to be rather skeptical. Not that psu isn't good, but rather they are a mystery to me. Need to see them against quality opposition

you also failed to mention the near guarantee of bad weather, either during or before

Most PSU fans wish that we get OSU and Wisc at Happy Valley this year so we'd have a better chance at the Big10 title.

the year was last, but we all know who played qb

PSU hasn't done well on the road recently, except in bowl games.

How do you predict them to do this year? Honestly curious, maybe a general record of those games.

 

[txp135]

Yes, OSU always play great defense at the Shoe against PSU. Even in 2005 when we had a good offense, we only scored 17 in Happy Valley. Maybe JoePa will go back into his old shell and play the game conservatively in the meat of the Big10 schedule.

The defense is suspect this season because of injuries and other embarassing incidents so Joe may have no choice but to open it up. The thing is that all those times that you mentioned, we didn't really have a QB and 3 good WRs. Our 2 TEs are also decent this year and also 2 RBs. Oh, and the Oline has mature too.

No doubt OSU will be ready, but chances are you guys will have to be much better than previous times to keep the streak going.

In 1993, you had an offense that scored 31+ points eight times that year, and were held to six.

In 1996, you had an offense that scored 31+ points seven times that year, and were held to seven.

In 2002, you had an offense that scored 34+ points eight times (including 58 and 61 points) that year, and were held scoreless after scoring a TD on your opening drive.

The other years, your offense wasn't so great, so holding PSU to a low point total wasn't all that impressive. Still, even when you offense was potent, you got shut down in The Shoe, and this has held true across a decade and a half.

By the time PSU shows up, we'll have played several spread offenses and will have faced TP as the starter in practice for about six weeks' worth of practices. I think we'll be more than ready.

 

[txp135]

no, it's not. This is no more rooted in truth than those who think they are 'due' in a series.

Kent state could play osu every year. Their losing streak would be 3-30x that of most osu opp. Wouldn't make them any more likely to win.

Talent makes teams more likely to win.probably, but with last year's ooc performance, it's tough not to be rather skeptical. Not that psu isn't good, but rather they are a mystery to me. Need to see them against quality opposition

you also failed to mention the near guarantee of bad weather, either during or before
the year was last, but we all know who played qb
How do you predict them to do this year? Honestly curious, maybe a general record of those games.

Well, if you compare PSU to Kent State, then it's not a relevant discussion.

I will agree, many PSU fans are still skeptical, that's why we are waiting for this weekend to find out more about the team.

Yes, bad weather will skew the outcome, but this PSU team looks like a well rounded team. We felt really good about the 2005 team but all the WRs were freshman and MRob was a good RB playing QB. I'm worried about injuries.

From what I've seen so far from the whole Big10. I think chances are excellent we'll beat ILL, Purdue, IA and Indiana. Mich and State are hard to guage because when we should beat them we don't. I think it's the year that we'll pound them because they'll be in Happy Valley and Michigan looks really bad so far. I think Purdue will be the biggest threat in these bunch because it's an away game and PSU has Wisc, Mich, OSU on the plate.

Wisc/OSU are already tough and they are also tough places for PSU to play so I think we will drop one. Most likely to lose to OSU because OSU should be more balance

Overall, 11-1 is most likely. I'm really excited about this team and we are deep at nearly all positions. If Sean Lee and Jerome Hayes aren't lost for the season, I think PSU would be favored to win against a Freshman QB. TP is terrific, but an experienced passing QB would give PSU more trouble.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Where's that steady stream of PSU fans? Oh, just like USC should crush OrSU, it never materialized...

This is like saying "what's the big deal..." 100-yards into a marathon. The PSU game is 4 weeks away, and we already have someone claiming that we "never" got the inevitable stream of PSU trolls (that we get every year).

Welcome to the 'Planet.

 

[txp135]

This is like saying "what's the big deal..." 100-yards into a marathon. The PSU game is 4 weeks away, and we already have someone claiming that we "never" got the inevitable stream of PSU trolls (that we get every year).

Welcome to the 'Planet.

Not at all. You said "now" and I haven't seen any yet. I'm sure there will be idiots rolling in when it gets close, it's pretty much a guarantee. But why not enjoy a couple weeks without a reminder of them? It's like some here can't wait to feed the trolls.

Another thing is to call those trolls "PSU fans". Do you call those people that boo your team when things go badly "OSU fans"? No! You kick them off the board, no warnings. So why would you be mentioning those trolls when they're going to do the same things as those "OSU fans"? Just do us all a favor and kick them off the board. Or start a thread and keep those in there, but I doubt you want to start a "Bash the Buckeyes" thread.

Real PSU fans aren't happy about the fact that tOSU "laid an egg" against USC or that ILL lost to Missouri or MSU to CAL.

Thanks for welcoming me.