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Game Thread Oregon at tOSU, Sat. Nov. 7th, 3:30 pm ET, CBS

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Gunlife said:
If we are going to run the QB a lot , which I think is the best way forward BTW, then TSC needs to be starting. Fahey can prove me wrong, but I just don't see enough God-given talent in him to be the starting QB for THE Ohio State University. The Bobcats or Zipps? Sure. But not at OSU.
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God given talent and offensive operation are two very different categories. And that's without getting into the fact that what makes TSC rare is his arm talent, not his legs.

Pryor and Miller had magnitudes more God given talent than JT Barrett. Terrelle may have been the best pure athlete ever, or at least on this side of Pace. Braxton may have had the best lateral quickness in school history and all of the tools. Both were absolute cheat codes, but that was in spite of their pocket presence and read option prowess.

JT had a lot more success, and big time runs, because of his vision, operation and intelligence.

That feel is extremely hard to teach. And it's the one thing Julian was not great at. Now they're missing the seventy thousand other things that he was, but Luke transforms what they can do.

The question is if they'll try it, as DBB said
 
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jwinslow said:
God given talent and offensive operation are two very different categories. And that's without getting into the fact that what makes TSC rare is his arm talent, not his legs.

Pryor and Miller had magnitudes more God given talent than JT Barrett. Terrelle may have been the best pure athlete ever, or at least on this side of Pace. Braxton may have had the best lateral quickness in school history and all of the tools. Both were absolute cheat codes, but that was in spite of their pocket presence and read option prowess.

JT had a lot more success, and big time runs, because of his vision, operation and intelligence.

That feel is extremely hard to teach. And it's the one thing Julian was not great at. Now they're missing the seventy thousand other things that he was, but Luke transforms what they can do.

The question is if they'll try it, as DBB said
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Some of what you said I agree with. But the fact that JT was better than Braxton and Pryor? I don't think so. Braxton ran for 1500 yards in an undefeated season. Pryor threw for 4 tds in his first start and very routinely picked up 3rd and longs with his legs. If not for tattoo gate he was the Heisman front runner on the preseason #1 team.

Pryor, Braxton, Haskins (RIP) , Fields, Stroud, Howard... I am sorry but Fahey just doesn't have the God-given talent to play QB at OSU. Just like 99.999999% of the population. Its not a rip on him, from all we hear he's a great kid and gives everything he has.

I agree that TSC can throw a great deep ball. His long strides also eat up yards. I would play him and run the Cardale Jones offense. Run it down their throats, then play action deep. 4 is still the best player and deserve at least a chance on deep balls
 
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Gunlife said:
Some of what you said I agree with. But the fact that JT was better than Braxton and Pryor? I don't think so. Braxton ran for 1500 yards in an undefeated season. Pryor threw for 4 tds in his first start and very routinely picked up 3rd and longs with his legs. If not for tattoo gate he was the Heisman front runner on the preseason #1 team.

Pryor, Braxton, Haskins (RIP) , Fields, Stroud, Howard... I am sorry but Fahey just doesn't have the God-given talent to play QB at OSU. Just like 99.999999% of the population. Its not a rip on him, from all we hear he's a great kid and gives everything he has.

I agree that TSC can throw a great deep ball. His long strides also eat up yards. I would play him and run the Cardale Jones offense. Run it down their throats, then play action deep. 4 is still the best player and deserve at least a chance on deep balls
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as an operator of the offense? Yes. Which is a lot more important in a day offense than an urban one.


The Cardale offense worked for a month, and somehow got worse with everyone back and Braxton miller moonlighting as the 5th weapon on offense. Because they couldn't replace Darryl baldwin. Ironically enough the same reason they have slipped since Josh Fryar walked out the door.

Cardale also had a lot more talent than than JT.

Long strides are nice. Tsc and bryce are both agile pro style QBs, that are both extremely raw, and unlike Pryor/Braxton, are not superior athletically to most of the defenders they are facing off against. TP and Braxton just clowned on virtually everyone they faced from an athletic disparity standpoint.

You also have to know where to go with the ball and your feet, and so far those two current college backups aren't very good at that. It's awfully early to write off tsc, because no one was stupid enough to hurt their program and the kid by giving him 13 M like Michigan did. He can keep growing and either fight for his shot next spring or find someone who will give him a shot. Lot of time and potential for him.


I'm keenly aware of their otherworldly abilities. And we never got to see them in their final seasons at qb. But JT Barrett was much, much more efficient read option quarterback than either of them and he was that way instantly.

He was the best short yardage running back in school history. He also happened to be a pretty decent passer. I would submit we never truly saw his final year or two as a QB either with all of the punishment urban subjected him to.


The same operational weakness that TP/Brax had existed with denard Robinson. Also an all timer for Michigan from an athleticism standpoint at QB, but poor operator of the option.
 
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jwinslow said:
as an operator of the offense? Yes. Which is a lot more important in a day offense than an urban one.


The Cardale offense worked for a month, and somehow got worse with everyone back and Braxton miller moonlighting as the 5th weapon on offense. Because they couldn't replace Darryl baldwin. Ironically enough the same reason they have slipped since Josh Fryar walked out the door.

Cardale also had a lot more talent than than JT.

Long strides are nice. Tsc and bryce are both agile pro style QBs, that are both extremely raw, and unlike Pryor/Braxton, are not superior athletically to most of the defenders they are facing off against. TP and Braxton just clowned on virtually everyone they faced from an athletic disparity standpoint.

You also have to know where to go with the ball and your feet, and so far those two current college backups aren't very good at that. It's awfully early to write off tsc, because no one was stupid enough to hurt their program and the kid by giving him 13 M like Michigan did. He can keep growing and either fight for his shot next spring or find someone who will give him a shot. Lot of time and potential for him.


I'm keenly aware of their otherworldly abilities. And we never got to see them in their final seasons at qb. But JT Barrett was much, much more efficient read option quarterback than either of them and he was that way instantly.

He was the best short yardage running back in school history. He also happened to be a pretty decent passer. I would submit we never truly saw his final year or two as a QB either with all of the punishment urban subjected him to.


The same operational weakness that TP/Brax had existed with denard Robinson. Also an all timer for Michigan from an athleticism standpoint at QB, but poor operator of the option.
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couldnt have said it any better. plus JT was the best leader Ive seen at QB. Dude was born to lead
 
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I don't think it will happen, but we could blow this one. That would make us 6-5 over the last 11, I believe. That's basically the interim season with Fick. Would Cignetti (and I'm not suggesting him as a replacement, just as a comparator) be 6-5 over the last 11? You have to be working at it to lose like that at tOSU. It's not just the losses. It's the way we repeatedly lose them. Day's a great guy, maybe the greatest all-around, but he's not the guy.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I don't think it will happen, but we could blow this one. That would make us 6-5 over the last 11, I believe. That's basically the interim season with Fick. Would Cignetti (and I'm not suggesting him as a replacement, just as a comparator) be 6-5 over the last 11? You have to be working at it to lose like that at tOSU. It's not just the losses. It's the way we repeatedly lose them. Day's a great guy, maybe the greatest all-around, but he's not the guy.
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I have been the glass is half empty asshole on here the last few days so I would like to switch that around.

This is also the toughest schedule I can ever remember. I know this is OSU and you should be able to play anyone anywhere, but this stretch is just fucking brutal. Maybe we still get in at 10-3 if Indiana slips up again, which i think is very likely.
 
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But the question becomes, what happens then? This team isn't catching fire and making an NC run. I really don't care about making the playoff just to make the playoff. That's one of the many reasons I don't watch or care about the NFL. I understand that this is the way things will be, and that it will be even worse with 24 teams, but if we don't have a team and/or coach who can win it all, I'd prefer to beat tcun, take a month off, and win a bowl game. Even if we win out the regular season, this ship ain't right.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I don't think it will happen, but we could blow this one. That would make us 6-5 over the last 11, I believe. That's basically the interim season with Fick. Would Cignetti (and I'm not suggesting him as a replacement, just as a comparator) be 6-5 over the last 11? You have to be working at it to lose like that at tOSU. It's not just the losses. It's the way we repeatedly lose them. Day's a great guy, maybe the greatest all-around, but he's not the guy.
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Well first off, we haven't lost yet so Day is 7-4 in his last 11. Secondly, Fick didn't lose to the two NC game participants and two more top 25 teams. This is the type of baiting question I'd expect from some trashy show like First Take. Do better
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I don't think it will happen, but we could blow this one. That would make us 6-5 over the last 11, I believe. That's basically the interim season with Fick. Would Cignetti (and I'm not suggesting him as a replacement, just as a comparator) be 6-5 over the last 11? You have to be working at it to lose like that at tOSU. It's not just the losses. It's the way we repeatedly lose them. Day's a great guy, maybe the greatest all-around, but he's not the guy.
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I hear where you are going with it and would just challenge the flat 6-5 part. I'd start looking at "playoff caliber" teams. Thats the new benchmark and I'd say you should expect to do 60 some odd percent against them overall? Maybe just spitballing.

I say 60 some odd % to account for years like this when it just isn't there and years like last year and 2019 where you had a monster.

Looking across CFB, all teams have warts and just like the NFL- no one is running the table with a back up QB, missing its best RB and breaking in a so-so defense with it's usual self inflicted piss poor special teams adding to the fun.

None of us know what the new normal is yet so even with my past misgivings on him- I am wait and see with Day.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Texas and USC gather enough talent that losing to them shouldn't be sending the fanbase into this much disarray. We didn't lose to Northern Illinois.
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I think it's more of HOW they lost the Texas game. If it was a back-and-forth close affair for the whole game and we ended up losing it wouldn't had been so bad. A historic type of 4th quarter meltdown of course is going to cause an uproar.
 
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