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Once is Not Enough (from summer practice thread)

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Players like a Thad Gibson or Ray Small may very well get the team over the hump
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I really don't think Ray Small is a very good example.

How often has he helped this team the last three years, compared to the times he hasn't supported them because he got himself in the doghouse again?
Remember, he's an intense enough guy to yell at opposing teams fans while playing high school basketball.
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Please tell me we're not going down the swagger road. Pryor does have some great intangibles, but yelling back at fans isn't one of them.
Also, doesn't anyone else get a little envious when they see Florida or USC throwing it deep to go up by 30 in the first half?
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With a SoCal pretty boy named Mark Sanchez...
 
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jwinslow;1517741; said:
I really don't think Ray Small is a very good example.
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Let's just stick with Thad then. For all of Ray's talent, he may have went a little far.

jwinslow;1517741; said:
Please tell me we're not going down the swagger road. Pryor does have some great intangibles, but yelling back at fans isn't one of them.
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I'm not saying his energy has always been directed the right way, just saying that he's the type of guy that I could never see backing down from a challenge. How many of the upperclassmen from the past few years have been like that? I never said anything about swagger, just saying the type of kids on board in recent years have been kids that may or may not have had a thick enough skin to get through some of the tough times.

jwinslow;1517741; said:
With a SoCal pretty boy named Mark Sanchez...
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What the hell was wrong with Sanchez? He was a hell of a QB that many of us were hoping to get in that class. Is there anyone on here that wouldn't have taken him as a second year starter last year?
 
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I'm not saying his energy has always been directed the right way, just saying that he's the type of guy that I could never see backing down from a challenge. How many of the upperclassmen from the past few years have been like that? I never said anything about swagger, just saying the type of kids on board in recent years have been kids that may or may not have had a thick enough skin to get through some of the tough times.
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Or maybe they just weren't as good. Todd vs Troy, Robiskie vs Holmes, Hartline vs Ginn, Freeman vs Hawk probably weren't as good as those who came before them. Beanie was, but came out too often to truly capitalize on that talent. The 06 defense was definitely not as good as the BCS winning defenses in 02, 03, 05, despite the "play from ahead" distorted statistics logged in 06.

I think there's a strong possibility this team plays with a different attitude from the last. There was definitely a different vibe at media day according to many. But I'm not convinced it's because of how they grew up. The Brewster family is about as nice as they come, yet I don't want to line up on the other side from Michael.
What the hell was wrong with Sanchez? He was a hell of a QB that many of us were hoping to get in that class. Is there anyone on here that wouldn't have taken him as a second year starter last year?
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He laughs and winks at this stereotype.
 
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jwinslow;1517747; said:
I think there's a strong possibility this team plays with a different attitude from the last. There was definitely a different vibe at media day according to many. But I'm not convinced it's because of how they grew up. The Brewster family is about as nice as they come, yet I don't want to line up on the other side from Michael..
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The change in attitude that you reference is what I'm refering to. The attitude and identity of the last few teams just wasn't all that aggresive. It may not have anything to do with how they grew up but the players personalities were developed somewhere. I know the coaching philosophy has a lot to do with it but aggresive/chip on your shoulder personalities shine through even the most conservative coaching styles. I would consider Brewster an anomaly but I love the way he plays. Players with his attitude have been far between the last few years. Maybe I'm trying to draw a correlation that isnt there, I dont know.

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He laughs and winks at this stereotype.
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I still dont get it...... is he not a likable kid?
 
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Let's just agree that a change in attitude would be welcome, whether it's from reading the wheaties box or fighting Barwis' wolves for fun.
I still dont get it...... is he not a likable kid?
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I'm saying he grew up in a very swell situation but is still that successful, but I think we're moving beyond the cause and focusing more on the end result.
 
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jwinslow;1517753; said:
Let's just agree that a change in attitude would be welcome, whether it's from reading the wheaties box or fighting Barwis' wolves for fun.
I'm saying he grew up in a very swell situation but is still that successful, but I think we're moving beyond the cause and focusing more on the end result.
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Agreed
 
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DaveyBoy;1517626; said:
while you're researching it, please find the number of times Ohio State has been humiliated 35-3 just a few months after losing their 2nd bowl game in 2 years by a very convincing or blowout margin.

it cuts both ways
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:tibor:

In 1999, only 10 years ago, Ohio State went 6-6 and lost 46-20 to Illinois.... coming on the heels of a 23-7 loss to Sparty and a game before tanking 24-17 against Michigan. That's 0-3 to end the season... 1999 Ohio State was blown out 42-17 by Wisconsin as well... (The other two losses were Miami Fla 23-12 (game not as close as the score) and Penn State 23-10 (it's amazing Bellasari was able to walk after that one))

And you're going to bitch by losing to:

#2 Florida (ranking at the time)
#2 LSU
#1 USC

over the course of 3 seasons, two games of which were playing for the National Championship?

Yeah... sure... it cuts both ways... give me a goddamned break.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1517635; said:
There are message boards for fans who feel like the Buckeyes owe them more. This is not one of them.

And I'm sure someone will accuse me of putting words in their mouth... Your attitude is screaming so loud that what you say I cannot hear.
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Okay first of all I never said that Ohio State "owes" me anything. I never said that. I said that I was expecting and wanting more from that team with the way that I felt about them. I expected the light switch to go on for them. But I don't claim that Ohio State owes me more anywhere and I certainly don't think that. You are putting words in my mouth, and then you take away reputation points from me?

You said this while doing so:

"Not having Ridiculous expectations = low standards?????"

My expectations are not ridiculous. I expected more from the '08 class in terms of big game wins. But that doesn't mean my expectations are ridiculous, it means that I believe in the Buckeyes more than anything and I expected that switch to turn on and it never did. I do NOT feel like I am owed anything. And the main point of what I said was that I feel that this class coming through now has what it takes to win a championship, whereas looking back on the '08 class now, they didn't and that is PROVEN.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1517483; said:
Here is a list of every one of Ohio State's seasons since 1904. Count up the number of seasons with zero losses.... or count up the number of seasons with a National Championship... Divide that number by the number of seasons represented....

You're going to be disappointed and calling the rest of us out for "lack of killer instinct" about 98% of the time (I didn't actually do the math).

It's called reality, sparky. Do I want OSU to be undefeated, unscored upon and clear Champion of the universe? Of course. But, I'm not about to start bitching about results in the midst of one of the, if not THE, greatest 10 year run in Ohio State history.
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I'm not bitching about results. They are what they are. Also, I'm not calling anyone out. People are entitled to feel how they want, as am I. Yes, reality is that we aren't going to win the championship every year. But reality is also that you have to expect to win to be successful. The killer instinct I am talking about is looking at a team with so much talent like the '08 class, and thinking that if they found the missing piece of the puzzle (whatever that was) they could have fared so much better in big games. I expected more. That doesn't mean that it's not okay that more didn't happen. Again I don't feel like I am owed anything at all, I am simply saying that the '08 class didn't have "it." They had their opportunities and let them slip away. I'm not bitching about it, and really I don't care. We are an amazing program and 4 big ten titles in row speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I don't have the right to feel like we could have done more had the switch turned on. It didn't and, again, the point of what I am saying is that I can already see something in this class that I never saw in the '08 class and I sincerely think/believe that we will have another National Championship by the time they are done here.

:osu:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1517986; said:
:tibor:

In 1999, only 10 years ago, Ohio State went 6-6 and lost 46-20 to Illinois.... coming on the heels of a 23-7 loss to Sparty and a game before tanking 24-17 against Michigan. That's 0-3 to end the season... 1999 Ohio State was blown out 42-17 by Wisconsin as well... (The other two losses were Miami Fla 23-12 (game not as close as the score) and Penn State 23-10 (it's amazing Bellasari was able to walk after that one))

And you're going to bitch by losing to:

#2 Florida (ranking at the time)
#2 LSU
#1 USC

over the course of 3 seasons, two games of which were playing for the National Championship?

Yeah... sure... it cuts both ways... give me a goddamned break.
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So you're saying that in 1999 you thought Ohio State had a National Championship winning caliber team?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1518249; said:
No. I was saying that losing 35-3 to #1 USC on the heels of 2 "blow out" losses in NC Games isn't so bad.
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How is it not so bad? It's always so bad when you're coming into a year off a NC game appearance and returning 19 starters. Why wouldn't I have expected more? But it didn't matter how many starters came back, the attitude in the '08 class was not right. Something was amiss. I don't see how that statement can be challenged?

People are taking what I have been saying and twisting every which way they want to. The simple point that I am making is that this class coming through has something already that the '08 class never had. A different attitude and personality that will drive them to successes that the '08 class could not achieve. That is it.

People can say I feel like I am owed something and get awarded for it but that doesn't change the fact that they are dead wrong.
 
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