OL Justin Boren (Official Thread)

[MililaniBuckeye]

 

[Steve19]

Evidently you skiiped the part of his post that said, "However, Boren did wear the uniform and gave you what he had for two seasons. There's been no allegation that he was a slacker and his record demonstrates what he put in as a Wolverine."

Slackers and fat, lazy softies start 13 games for the University of Michigan? Do they get selected honorable all-conference as a true sophomore? Had Carr stayed or had Michigan hired someone else as his replacement, chances are very good that Boren was going to be at least second-team all-conference this year and very probable first-team his senior year.

Two points. Boren was repeatedly mentioned as one of a handful of guys who really took to the new training regime, by TSUN insiders.

Second, as a former member of Ohio State's rugby team, RugbyBuck may know a hell of a lot more about taking a hit and putting his guts on the line for an entire game, without resting, than most other athletes at Ohio State or TSUN.

 

[Steve19]

This is the sort of refreshing honesty I appreciate about this place.

I think you have been welcomed here with some hospitality, HTM. But, I guess it's starting to sound a bit like NDChief. If you don't like the place, then of course you have the choice of not visiting it.

 

[Gatorubet]

No need, OG, Suh. Ah wouldn't waste a ball on a wolverine. May nee' ta fix yo bayonet, though.

Who makes little gloves for wolverines? How gay!

 

[Steve19]

Well, I'll tell you why that is, though it's probably more a post for the RR thread. We already did our program-soul-searching before Carr left and we knew what we wanted in a new coach when it came time. We wanted a proven coach that's had success in his previous jobs; one who would change the country-club atmosphere around the team and get rid of the general feeling of complacency and whip guys into shape; one who could recruit well; one who did not bring with him the cloud of recruiting and academic scandal :ho:; and one who would tilt the OSU game back in our favor :groove3:. On all of the above: check, check, check, and check, and now we wait on see on the last one. We got what we wanted, and how spoiled and disingenuous would we sound if we then said, "Oh, but wait, we want him to make sure every last kid from last year stays on the team by not yelling too much, and we want him to make a perfectly clean amicable break from his previous job too." If the lesson to be learned here is caveat emptor, or else maybe "you get what you ask for" then so be it. We got what we wanted. What do we do now - try and get RR fired? Maybe RR is "at fault", but since this is the program we asked for, we want players who want to play in it. If we hadn't demanded such a program then it would be easier to point fingers at the coach - however, the coach deserves a little longer than a three month grace period. A trend of players leaving citing family values - that would give us (me) cause to think. One player doesn't make a trend.

First, your basketball program maybe, but your football program has never been under such a cloud of slime.

Second, this is not 1960. These are college kids, not soldiers. You need to look up the link between "extrinsic motivation" and "performance".

Talking tough is one thing. This asshat cries on the sidelines when things get tough. He looked great in a Big East decimated by top teams leaving. And he's your prize because of his schematic advantage and a new S&C coach.

Geez, go back and look at the Don Quixote performance on BP of NDChief when Charlie arrived on the scene. He thought we were stupid hilljacks. He thought we were motivated because we dislike Notre Dame. I admit, it's nice knowing they have Charlie, but the ego that has killed his team was as plain as the noon day sun.

So is the slime that RR has carried with him into Ann Arbor. We weren't wrong then. We're not wrong now. And in your heart of hearts, you know very well that you guys would give your right nut to exchange him for Jim Tressel and his coaching staff.

You can bet one thing. Justin Boren is going to be intrinsically motivated when he returns to Ann Arbor next year and kicks the living shit out of your team.

 

[HailToMichigan]

I think you have been welcomed here with some hospitality, HTM. But, I guess it's starting to sound a bit like NDChief. If you don't like the place, then of course you have the choice of not visiting it.

I wasn't being sarcastic. If the roles were reversed I couldn't put my own feelings into words better than Oh8ch did.

 

[Kueller]

Well, I'll tell you why that is, though it's probably more a post for the RR thread. We already did our program-soul-searching before Carr left and we knew what we wanted in a new coach when it came time. We wanted a proven coach that's had success in his previous jobs; one who would change the country-club atmosphere around the team and get rid of the general feeling of complacency and whip guys into shape; one who could recruit well; one who did not bring with him the cloud of recruiting and academic scandal; and one who would tilt the OSU game back in our favor. On all of the above: check, check, check, and check, and now we wait on see on the last one.

As I recall, the program soul searching led to Les Miles, not Rich Rodriguez.
But RR is what you got so let's check out those criteria:
Check, ?/check, ?, TBD.
RR certainly changed the atmosphere, not sure it's in a way the michigan faithful would've approved of before the hire though. Not sure opening up with a hometown news article on academic scandal and a conference coach calling your new coach a wizard hat wearing snake oil salesman is exactly moving out from under the clouds, but you're entitled to your opinion. If I were grading RR on your criteria above though I'd have to give him 2 out of 4 with 1 incomplete I think that's an "E" at OSU, probly a "B+" in a UM psych class though.

We got what we wanted, and how spoiled and disingenuous would we sound if we then said, "Oh, but wait, we want him to make sure every last kid from last year stays on the team by not yelling too much, and we want him to make a perfectly clean amicable break from his previous job too." If the lesson to be learned here is caveat emptor, or else maybe "you get what you ask for" then so be it. We got what we wanted. What do we do now - try and get RR fired? Maybe RR is "at fault", but since this is the program we asked for, we want players who want to play in it. If we hadn't demanded such a program then it would be easier to point fingers at the coach - however, the coach deserves a little longer than a three month grace period. A trend of players leaving citing family values - that would give us (me) cause to think. One player doesn't make a trend.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

RR was a second choice made in a hurry after the Miles fiasco and now we're starting to see the fall out from that. I will be gleefully watching for the next 3-5 years as michigan becomes the WVU of the west.

 

[HailToMichigan]

As I recall, the program soul searching led to Les Miles, not Rich Rodriguez.
But RR is what you got so let's check out those criteria:
Check, ?/check, ?, TBD.
RR certainly changed the atmosphere, not sure it's in a way the michigan faithful would've approved of before the hire though. Not sure opening up with a hometown news article on academic scandal and a conference coach calling your new coach a wizard hat wearing snake oil salesman is exactly moving out from under the clouds, but you're entitled to your opinion. If I were grading RR on your criteria above though I'd have to give him 2 out of 4 with 1 incomplete I think that's an "E" at OSU, probly a "B+" in a UM psych class though.

The academic "scandal" you refer to, which resulted in no self-penalties, no conference penalties, and no NCAA penalties, could not possibly have had anything to do with Rodriguez. As for the snake oil thing, Roy Roundtree put that to rest with vigor, but if you want to debate that I'm happy to in the RR thread. Frankly, Tiller is the one who comes out looking stupid from that one, IMO.

 

[ashlandbuck]

On the lighter side....Hail.....man. I have a problem with you using "Wahoo" under your username. That's the traditional name of the Cleveland Indian's chief which proudly adorns the Tribe's players hat and jersey. There is something inherently wrong with it being associated with scUM.

 

[BB73]

Stop the presses! Gregg Doyel wrote something that won't piss us off. I especially like the last 2 words.

(Note to HTM - you were not meant to be included when I said "us". )

doyel.blogs

My new favorite player

Justin Boren is the man. He left Michigan, ripped Rich Rodriguez and then had the gonads to transfer to Ohio State?

I love it.

And that's not sarcasm. I sincerely love it. For one thing, I don't love R-Rod. Not after the way he left West Virginia, shredding documents and relationships along the way, and then arrived at Michigan and in one month on the recruiting trail was shadier than Lloyd Carr had been in decades.

So Boren calls R-Rod what he is -- a bad guy -- and then leaves. And then transfers to Michigan's biggest rival. Michigan fans are calling Boren all sorts of emasculatory names, but let's be serious: To leave Michigan as he did, and then to show up at Ohio State, shows titanic testicles.

 

[NFBuck]

An impartial party calling out DickRod?!?!?!? Nope, can't be...only tOSU and wvu fans do that.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Stop the presses! Gregg Doyel wrote something that won't piss us off. I especially like the last 2 words.

(Note to HTM - you were not meant to be included when I said "us". )

doyel.blogs

Well said by Doyel. Did I just say that?

But seriously, someone earlier in the media (can't remember where I read it) said that Boren would have some work to do to win over the Buckeye Nation. I think that's crazy! For exactly what Doyel just said. JB has some serious gonads to do what he's done. He should be our new favorite Buckeye not one that has to "win us over." He's already earned my respect!

I can't wait to see him sing to the band after our first demolishing of TSUN! Going to be a proud day when he suits up in the Buckeye colors!

Win us over??? Nope...he's already done that!

 

[Oh8ch]

But seriously, someone earlier in the media (can't remember where I read it) said that Boren would have some work to do to win over the Buckeye Nation. I think that's crazy!

Tom Oller in the Dispatch. I normally like his stuff, but agree he was crazy on this one.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Win us over??? Nope...he's already done that!

He had me at hel... Ok, let's not get crazy. He's a lineman, after all.

 

[Buckskin86]

Carr: Dispatch report not true
Posted by Jim Carty | The Ann Arbor News April 25, 2008
Categories: Wolverines Football

Former Michigan football coach Lloyd Carr is strongly denying a claim in Thursday's Columbus Dispatch that he helped facilitate offensive lineman Justin Boren's transfer to Ohio State. Carr denied the Dispatch report via Michigan athletics spokesperson Bruce Madei, who said the coach was unavailable for an interview Friday night.

"Lloyd told me that's a lie," Madei said.

Carr: Dispatch report not true - Jim Carty - The Ann Arbor News - MLive.com