OL Justin Boren (Official Thread)

[Steve19]

I'm certain I said the same thing in a post somewhere. Vegas loves me.

Hey, I'm working here. Get your own crystal ball and turban!

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

B***n may have some insight on the offense, but I doubt it. He left after like three practices.


I would not read it. I suspect any book sales in the state of Michigan would come from Spartan fans. I don't consider J****n B***n a Wolverine by any stretch of the imagination. Who wants to read the memoirs of someone who spit on your program like that? I'd read a Woody Hayes book before a B***n book....Woody had respect for Michigan.

The best part about Boren is that he's turned even the more intelligent Michigan fans into whiny crybabies.

 

[Steve19]

B***n may have some insight on the offense, but I doubt it. He left after like three practices.


I would not read it. I suspect any book sales in the state of Michigan would come from Spartan fans. I don't consider J****n B***n a Wolverine by any stretch of the imagination. Who wants to read the memoirs of someone who spit on your program like that? I'd read a Woody Hayes book before a B***n book....Woody had respect for Michigan.

Come on, HTM, don't get your knickers in a knot. If you go through the next three years typing his name like that, you are likely to get repetitive strain injury.

Hey, it's not like he ran out on the team before a BCS bowl game or anything, eh?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It would be interesting to hear about that perspective - but I am guessing he will be well muzzled (first by himself, then his Dad and finally JT). There is almost nothing he can say that wont become BB material. But the reporters will do everything they can to bait him.

Bingo. You know for a absolute fact that Tressel will have Justin under media lock-and-key, just like he does that top QB we just recruited...you know, what's his name. I would not want to be the first reporter to try and bypass JT to get a comment from Justin.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Bingo. You know for a absolute fact that Tressel will have Justin under media lock-and-key, just like he does that top QB we just recruited...you know, what's his name. I would not want to be the first reporter to try and bypass JT to get a comment from Justin.

i think the last few weeks justin has handled himself very well. i look for that trend to continue. a few comments out there but no sparks really. something that is impressive.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I can't wait until Nov 21, 2009, when fullback Zach Boren runs behind his big brother Justin from the 2-yard-line for a touchdown against Michigan on their home turf. 111,000+ scUM crying in their milk.

Even the word "irony" itself couldn't decribe that...

 

[HailToMichigan]

Are you saying that Boren didn't have respect?

Why are you making Boren sound like the bad guy here? I'm not saying he's the good guy.

I just don't think that anyone that played for Michigan (or OSU), and retained even a scrap of pride in that uniform and program and in what he had accomplished there, or any feeling or emotion associated with it, can then go suit up at OSU (or Michigan.) It's different from guys who grow up in one state or the other and choose to cross the border. It's even different from regular transfers. But when you put on the uniform, your investment in the place goes beyond simply being a fan. Or it should.

Either B***n never felt any attachment to Michigan in the first place, or Rich Rodriguez destroyed it in a few practices. In the latter case it couldn't have been terribly strong to begin with, as countless people have played at West Virginia and many others are still playing at Michigan without Rodriguez destroying their will to play there.

And yes, I think his "eroded family values" statement is a cop-out. To what, exactly, is he referring? It's vague and unquantifiable and open to all kinds of interpretation. If he just said, "I don't like being screamed at and cursed at," then that'd be something. At least Pat White was specific.

Pretty much everyone who's transferred from Michigan gave clear reasons. Justin Fargas - didn't want to be a defensive back. Matt Gutierrez and Jason Forcier - stuck on the depth chart. Ryan Mallett - wrong system. No worries there, and whenever I see Fargas playing in the NFL, I still think of him as a Wolverine, because he represented us well, even for a short time. Mallett, same (for the most part.) But to smack us in the face by jumping ship to OSU? And to add insult to insult and injury with vague statements that leave the program open to criticism without any real idea of what it's being criticized for? Can't accept that. I mean, even Rodriguez gave some pretty specific ideas as to why he left West Virginia. He laid them out.

If Michigan football was a family, as he said, his family members are still there. His former teammates. Going to OSU shows that he now holds them in less than no regard. It says, I not only want to leave you, I want to beat you so bad that I'll go to the one place where it's not only most likely, it's expected of me, and I'll pay my own money for the chance to do it.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Hey, it's not like he ran out on the team before a BCS bowl game or anything, eh?

That's true, it's not. It's worse. He ran out on the team when it was down and sorely lacking in players with his specific skills - and then went to the one place where he can do the most damage. The person you're referring to sacrificed a moment in the spotlight (the good kind of spotlight). The one I'm referring to sacrificed his teammates because he didn't like being yelled at.

 

[Tlangs]

Hey, it's not like he ran out on the team before a BCS bowl game or anything, eh?

or threw a co-worker under the bus to try to help his case to avoid paying $4 mil...

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

and sorely lacking in players with his specific skills -

Not that he'd be a starter next season or anything.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

That's true, it's not. It's worse. He ran out on the team when it was down and sorely lacking in players with his specific skills - and then went to the one place where he can do the most damage. The person you're referring to sacrificed a moment in the spotlight (the good kind of spotlight). The one I'm referring to sacrificed his teammates because he didn't like being yelled at.

How is it worse? The coaches that he committed to and the program he committed to are virtually non-existant anymore.

And also, funny shit from a Michigan fan on another forum.

Boren isn't even that good. ESPECIALLY now with TP there. Boren is VERY slow and VERY lazy. He shouldn't have been starting this year for Michigan, but Carr's recruitment of offensive linemen had really floundered. If Boren has to see significant playing time at OSU, the Buckeyes are in big trouble.

 

[Dryden]

Amazing. So now, not only is Justin a whiny crybaby that doesn't want to be yelled at, but he's also also lazy and slow and not very good, even though both the coaches and the media thought he was worthy of an All-Big Ten mention as a true sophomore.

Ridiculous.

I quoted it. grad21 quoted it again.

Maybe they should take a cue from previous Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, who according to a source close to the situation worked behind the scenes to help Boren obtain his scholarship release from Michigan. Carr even assured Boren that Ohio State is the closest thing to Michigan that he would find and that there are "good people" in Columbus.

Right there are your family values, Wolverines.

Your own ex-coach is engineering the transfer of players and even encouraging OSU as an option. Face it, your family values took a walk the day Bo died. When Lloyd decided to step down and you guys decided you couldn't wait for Les to play some games he still had left on his schedule, you went and hired the flavor of the month to save face.

Thing is, RRod isn't even a flavor of the month like Urban Meyer was. At least Meyer did something unprecedented with Utah, and Bowling Green before that.

To this point, Rich Rod's greatest accomplishment was getting Georgia to not take his offense seriously for 15 minutes.

 

[WyoBuck]

I just don't think that anyone that played for Michigan (or OSU), and retained even a scrap of pride in that uniform and program and in what he had accomplished there, or any feeling or emotion associated with it, can then go suit up at OSU (or Michigan.) It's different from guys who grow up in one state or the other and choose to cross the border. It's even different from regular transfers. But when you put on the uniform, your investment in the place goes beyond simply being a fan. Or it should.

Either B***n never felt any attachment to Michigan in the first place, or Rich Rodriguez destroyed it in a few practices. In the latter case it couldn't have been terribly strong to begin with, as countless people have played at West Virginia and many others are still playing at Michigan without Rodriguez destroying their will to play there.

And yes, I think his "eroded family values" statement is a cop-out. To what, exactly, is he referring? It's vague and unquantifiable and open to all kinds of interpretation. If he just said, "I don't like being screamed at and cursed at," then that'd be something.

Pretty much everyone who's transferred from Michigan gave clear reasons. Justin Fargas - didn't want to be a defensive back. Matt Gutierrez and Jason Forcier - stuck on the depth chart. Ryan Mallett - wrong system. No worries there, and whenever I see Fargas playing in the NFL, I still think of him as a Wolverine, because he represented us well, even for a short time. Mallett, same (for the most part.) But to smack us in the face by jumping ship to OSU? And to add insult to insult and injury with vague statements that leave the program open to criticism without any real idea of what it's being criticized for? Can't accept that. I mean, even Rodriguez gave some pretty specific ideas as to why he left West Virginia. He laid them out.

If Michigan football was a family, as he said, his family members are still there. His former teammates. Going to OSU shows that he now holds them in less than no regard. It says, I not only want to leave you, I want to beat you so bad that I'll go to the one place where it's not only most likely, it's expected of me, and I'll pay my own money for the chance to do it.

So, let me get this straight. You are saying that a student athlete's allegience to the "program" should override the responsible decision of putting himself in a better situation? It is pretty irrelevent what YOU think or what I think of the situation up in AA, what is really more important is what Justin and his family think of it. Would you tell your son that he should continue on playing for a coach in a system that you BOTH feel is wrong, just to ameliorate the fanbase and the coach of a team that you have lost faith in, and justifiably so?

Also, would it have been better for Justin to spill his guts just to suffer an even greater degree of backlash from you guys and the media? What would that have said about his character. When asked why he was leaving, Justin gave an honest answer without saying anything more than what was necessary, and what most already suspected. I think that the lack of any real evidence from your program that the "family values" haven't eroded and the "I only talk about Michigan players" is a cop out. Why doesn't Rodriguez defend himself, his ideals, or his program? Because he cant. No one, and I mean no one, outside of your fanbase is saying anything to support this clown. could that be because there is simply no excuse for the shit he does?

Man, rivalry aside, I just do not see how you guys can be proud of your new coach, what he stands for, or what he is going to do to your history. Rodriguez will fail, and it will be because of his own arrogance, and he is going to ruin your name and your program. It is likely that he will leave AA in some media uproar, much in the same way he is leaving WV. The guy is a piece of shit, and a leopard can't change its spots. Its probable that the Borens' saw that and did not want any part of it. Nor should they. Transferring to tOSU, I believe is less to take a stab, than to put himself closer to home, in a situation where he can be proud of what he is a part of.

Back to rivalry, the best thing that could happen to you guys at this point would be for Dickrod fail miserably and his stay end up being short. I am just glad that I am alive to see the scUM football program hit its all time low.

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

I mean, even Rodriguez gave some pretty specific ideas as to why he left West Virginia. He laid them out.

That is nonsensical. You can't honestly believe that he left WVU for the reasons he stated. Rodriguez had to come up with some set of facts to support his attempt to weasel out of paying the buyout provision of his contract.

Rodriguez previously laid out the fact that he was in Toledo just to meet with his financial advisor and not to meet with anyone regarding the Michigan head coaching position. He was pretty specific about that lie, so I guess we'll let it pass, since specificity is the most important criterion.

Boren's decision to transfer came way too early to have anything to do with practice or conditioning. I think it had everything to do with the recruitment of Boren's younger brother Zach, what was previously promised to the Boren family about Zach, and what was then not honored by Rodriguez once he took the helm.

 

[LightningRod]

I think these UM fans need to stop acting like the jilted bride and move on. This maniacal obsession with a 19 year old is a bit much.