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OL Harry Miller (Official Thread)

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cincibuck said:
1. Ohio State University, the school, the buildings, the stadium, the great seal, the copyrighted name, the books in the libraries, all belong to the people of Ohio.
2. Because they are not public entities, schools like Notre Dame and companies like the New England Patriots, can tell the press to fuck off. They are not accountable to the citizenry - witness the scissor lift incident.
3. Like it or not, Ohio State football is public property. People who work for the university, especially in positions of greater responsibility, are accountable to the public. Their credentials, salaries, and benefits can be accessed.
4. Would you, the media, and the public accept such vague answers from President Johnson if she failed to disclose student health issues, corruption by officers of the school, proposed changes to admission policies, guidelines on financial aid, changes in graduation requirements? She knows that the responsibility to answer tough questions comes with the territory.
5. Ryan Day knew that dealing with the press was a part of his responsibilities when he took the job. And yeah, I don't know a single coach that hasn't at one time or another gone off on the media for good or bad reasons, but the press has the right to ask those questions.
6. IMO, Day only adds to his problem by being so vague and giving the appearance of being above public scrutiny. You want the press on your side so that when the day comes that you need them they're at least sympathetic if not on your side.
7. I think Buckeye coaches must believe they live in the days of Woody Hayes and Paul Hornung, when the Dispatch reporter acted as the coach's PAO and the national press seldom had to be dealt with beyond Michigan and bowl games.
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Feel free to file FOIA requests to get your weekly 2-deep.
 
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cincibuck said:
1. Ohio State University, the school, the buildings, the stadium, the great seal, the copyrighted name, the books in the libraries, all belong to the people of Ohio.
2. Because they are not public entities, schools like Notre Dame and companies like the New England Patriots, can tell the press to fuck off. They are not accountable to the citizenry - witness the scissor lift incident.
3. Like it or not, Ohio State football is public property. People who work for the university, especially in positions of greater responsibility, are accountable to the public. Their credentials, salaries, and benefits can be accessed.
4. Would you, the media, and the public accept such vague answers from President Johnson if she failed to disclose student health issues, corruption by officers of the school, proposed changes to admission policies, guidelines on financial aid, changes in graduation requirements? She knows that the responsibility to answer tough questions comes with the territory.
5. Ryan Day knew that dealing with the press was a part of his responsibilities when he took the job. And yeah, I don't know a single coach that hasn't at one time or another gone off on the media for good or bad reasons, but the press has the right to ask those questions.
6. IMO, Day only adds to his problem by being so vague and giving the appearance of being above public scrutiny. You want the press on your side so that when the day comes that you need them they're at least sympathetic if not on your side.
7. I think Buckeye coaches must believe they live in the days of Woody Hayes and Paul Hornung, when the Dispatch reporter acted as the coach's PAO and the national press seldom had to be dealt with beyond Michigan and bowl games.
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Amen and Amen
 
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Onebuckfan said:
All cases …I hate spin and hypocrisy. Answer the question POTUS down to Football Coach.
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And there’s processes in place for you to get your information. From POTUS down to the football coach.

As I said before, you’re not owed anything… regardless of what you think. I mean really, who the fuck do you think you are? Your personal interest seemly trumps Day’s managing of the team? G.T.F.O.

Feel free to stomp your feet and pout like a petulant child. The number of fuccs given by anyone in a position to give you what you want, rounding up, still equals zero.

File your FOIA paperwork. Good luck getting it in time for it to be useful.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
Are the both of you willing to extend this argument to all government employees in all cases… or only those cases where it’s interesting to you?
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I'm just saying that Day is picking a fight he doesn't need. I have no idea why he's reluctant to answer the questions about Miller, but he's not at Notre Dame. As I said, "I don't know a single coach that hasn't at one time or another gone off on the media for good or bad reasons, but the press has the right to ask those questions."

I don't know the story behind Miller not playing. It is probably nothing more than an injury that hasn't healed as quickly as hoped for. In the meantime, some in the media will work to find the answer if it's not addressed. For some, causing problems for a big-time college coach pushes them to work all the harder. When they do, it will be their version of the story, not Day's, that makes the front page or the opening story on ESPN.

And, yes there is FOIA. If it's a nothing burger Day is ducking, why not get the story out? If it's something a bit more sinister, forcing the media to expend time and energy will only make the revelation more difficult to deal with. So who do you want to break the story, your SID or McMurphy?
 
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cincibuck said:
I'm just saying that Day is picking a fight he doesn't need. I have no idea why he's reluctant to answer the questions about Miller, but he's not at Notre Dame. As I said, "I don't know a single coach that hasn't at one time or another gone off on the media for good or bad reasons, but the press has the right to ask those questions."

I don't know the story behind Miller not playing. It is probably nothing more than an injury that hasn't healed as quickly as hoped for. In the meantime, some in the media will work to find the answer if it's not addressed. For some, causing problems for a big-time college coach pushes them to work all the harder. When they do, it will be their version of the story, not Day's, that makes the front page or the opening story on ESPN.

And, yes there is FOIA. If it's a nothing burger Day is ducking, why not get the story out? If it's something a bit more sinister, forcing the media to expend time and energy will only make the revelation more difficult to deal with. So who do you want to break the story, your SID or McMurphy?
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Or it’s none of your business.

Sincerely,

— Occam
 
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1. Not every record kept by a public entity is a public record. See, R.C. 149.43 So, if Harry Miller had COVID, or a knee injury, or whatever, you're not getting that document. (and Cinci said something about student health and it being withheld.)
2. Public entities are not required to create records - so, if no depth chart document exists you aren't entitled to the creation of one.
3. Even more generally, public records are those records that document the functions of an office. Day's Salary is such documentation. A depth chart... not so much. Maybe. Courts are generally of the mind that if it's close, turn it over... but.. again.. if it doesn't exist, then they don't have to create it.
 
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And if it’s injury related, HIPAA comes into play. If Miller doesn’t want his health status discussed, Day can’t really say what’s going on.

Not knowing doesn’t bother me one bit. And I think Day has been more forthcoming with the media that Tressel was, I don’t see a problem here.

And I’m pretty sure the FOIA comment wasn’t meant as a serious solution here.
 
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BB73 said:
And if it’s injury related, HIPAA comes into play. If Miller doesn’t want his health status discussed, Day can’t really say what’s going on.

Not knowing doesn’t bother me one bit. And I think Day has been more forthcoming with the media that Tressel was, I don’t see a problem here.

And I’m pretty sure the FOIA comment wasn’t meant as a serious solution here.
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:this:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
1. Not every record kept by a public entity is a public record. See, R.C. 149.43 So, if Harry Miller had COVID, or a knee injury, or whatever, you're not getting that document. (and Cinci said something about student health and it being withheld.)
2. Public entities are not required to create records - so, if no depth chart document exists you aren't entitled to the creation of one.
3. Even more generally, public records are those records that document the functions of an office. Day's Salary is such documentation. A depth chart... not so much. Maybe. Courts are generally of the mind that if it's close, turn it over... but.. again.. if it doesn't exist, then they don't have to create it.
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Sometimes my work as an engineer makes me forget that we're a lawyer
 
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