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Ohio State vs. #15 Virginia, (Nashville, TN), Saturday Feb. 14, 8pm EST, FOX

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Defend the coach all you want. This team has enough talent to have a better record than they have. Royal and Tilly have absolutely regressed as the season has went on. That’s coaching. This team lacks the fundamentals of simple dribble drive and pick, screen and roll, etc…That is coaching. This team constantly gets screwed by the refs. That’s coaching. Gene Keady or Bob Knight, or rat face, any of those coaches would not let refs constantly fuck their teams like our coach does. I would’ve had at least one tech tonight. And yes it would’ve been warranted. I’m tired of getting screwed by piss poor officiating! Virginia rode us all game full court, hand checked, body checked, and not a damn thing called. Absolute bullshit!!
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
It's 100% on the university. They made the lazy horizon league level move of promoting the assistant who was under the guy they just fired. Diebler is in over his head but it's it's not particularly his fault since he shoulda never gotten the job to begin with
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I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....
 
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Mike80 said:
I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....
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This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.
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At the time, he was winning at a 65-67% clip and making the tournament every year. Literally no AD on the planet is letting the coach walk in that situation - edit to add - and this ignores the global pandemic we were still sorta in at the time.

I get you hate the coaching decisions but let's at least try to be honest about the context here.
 
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Mike80 said:
At the time, he was winning at a 65-67% clip and making the tournament every year. Literally no AD on the planet is letting the coach walk in that situation - edit to add - and this ignores the global pandemic we were still sorta in at the time.

I get you hate the coaching decisions but let's at least try to be honest about the context here.
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Let's be honest and answer this question. Is Diebler even in any consideration for a power conference head coaching job if ohio State didn't just hand the job to him? I think the answer is a clear no, he's probably scrambling around looking for another assistant job (or maybe Holtmann takes him to DePaul with him)
 
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Mike80 said:
I wouldn't say less. I'd say not enough.

But that comes with a huge caveat that I think this roster is a lot closer to Maryland or Ped State talent-wise than TCUN/Sparty/Illinois/etc....they're in the middle of the pack but I think this group has actually overachieved at this point in time.
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That’s reasonable. The BIG seems to have four tiers this year. A few elite teams, a few solid tournament teams that are substantially better than Ohio State, Ohio State (and maybe a couple of teams with them) and then absolute garbage that’s substantially worse than Ohio State.

Where I think you and I may differ is that I think that a better coach could get these guys to play both harder and smarter and that they have sufficient talent to be a one weekend tournament team and I’m not sure you’d agree with that. Whether we can attract such a coach (I think there’s a fair amount of room for improvement between Diebler and someone established and elite) is an open question. I’d give Diebler another year, but don’t expect much from it.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Let's be honest and answer this question. Is Diebler even in any consideration for a power conference head coaching job if ohio State didn't just hand the job to him? I think the answer is a clear no, he's probably scrambling around looking for another assistant job (or maybe Holtmann takes him to DePaul with him)
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I seriously doubt Diebler would be scrambling for any assistant job. Dude is respected as an assistant at the very minimum.

AS for the other one - who knows? By definition, that theoretical is not able to be determined. My opinion is he'd be in consideration just about anywhere that needs a coach and saying so is just as valid as your opinion and can be proven just as much as yours...

Silly theoretical musings that will lead no where do nothing to fix anything by the way.
 
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Mike80 said:
I seriously doubt Diebler would be scrambling for any assistant job. Dude is respected as an assistant at the very minimum.

AS for the other one - who knows? By definition, that theoretical is not able to be determined. My opinion is he'd be in consideration just about anywhere that needs a coach and saying so is just as valid as your opinion and can be proven just as much as yours...

Silly theoretical musings that will lead no where do nothing to fix anything by the way.
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Maybe some low low level program gives him a head coaching job but he wasn't getting a HEAD coaching job at a major conference school.
 
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