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DZ83CK
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The Pac-12 title game featured a fluke that I don't think I have ever seen in another game. Both teams had a play where their own receiver, without being forced juggled the ball, and eventually both WRs ended up kicking it up into the air for an INT. The difference in the game was the INT was a pick 6 for UW but not Utah.
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Given the news from Urban Meyer, I would not want to be Washington in this game. Hell is coming.
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HuskiesvOhioStRoseBowl
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Yeah the title game was fluky in general. Both Utah and UW knew each other quite well and it led to a miserable day from both offenses... the horror of both teams playing each other's really good defenses twice. What should be mentioned is that the Huskies drove the ball to or inside the Utah 35-30 eight separate times and got 3 points out of those drives. That came down to a couple of things... Utah has the #3 redzone D in the country, Petersen knew Utah couldn't score on us so he refused to take any shots because keeping field position was more important that committing turnovers, and we had 3 significant holding penalties + 1 turnover that stalled 4 of the 8 drives. Those saying, "did you see the Pac 12 Championship? UW's offense is horrible!" didn't see UW at its best and are kidding themselves a bit if they think OSU's D is on the same level as Utah's. The Huskies will score points on you guys... if Purdue, Maryland, Nebraska and Oregon St. can hang 31+ ... so can the Huskies. Not saying they will, but they are capable - just saying, don't fool yourself in thinking the same UW offense you saw in the P12 Champ will trot out there in the Rose Bowl.
I've read a lot of posts on a number of platforms from Buckeye fans who think Washington is going to get blown out. I suppose it's possible given OSU's ability to hang points on the board, but not likely in my eyes. While our schedule hasn't been the greatest, our 3 losses have come by a total of 10 points. We're just not a team who goes down without a fight. I doubt we lose by more than 10 points... if we do lose. The most points UW has given up this year in regulation is 24 against UCLA and Oregon... we're just not a defense that gives up easy touchdowns... so don't expect to get a bevy of chunk plays against our unit like you get against most teams. UW is not Northwestern... we have the athletes on D to keep up with you. It should also be mentioned that Utah never got into the redzone against UW... in fact, the furthest they got on UW's side of the field was the 36 I believe and crossed the 50 on maybe one other occasion?
Right now my odds are at 60/40 for a OSU win over UW.
I predict a winning score for OSU would look something like: OSU 27-30 - UW 18-21.
I predict a losing score for OSU would look something like: UW 28-31 - OSU 20-23.
I would take into account that we also have a slight advantage with the game being in California... UW has a TON of fans/alumni in SoCal and OSU's struggles have been away from the Horse Shoe.
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Buck33Eye11
Rocky Mountain High
i agree that UW has routes to score here, but let's not forget that a) UCLA was 0-5 and completely inept at that time and b) Utah couldn't score because they were missing their two most important offensive players, the head coach is a corpse, and the backup QB was so bad he wouldn't have beaten a high school team. both petersen & whittingham played that game to avoid a loss and any sort of that kind of play will bite him very hard here (obviously he won't gameplan the same way, but you get my point). petersen knew utah would not be able to move the ball with regularity and that allowed the run game to control everything which basically opened up the entire playbook (and they still couldn't do anything), but that will not happen at the same rate against OSU. on offense, OSU has twice the athlete as Utah at every position and twice the depth (not to mention they're all healthy), and an offensive coaching staff that can run circles around every team in college football sans perhaps Clemson (whether they do it is another matter, heh). it's no secret that OSU's weaknesses are on defense and when they give up points here it will most likely be from grabby PIs and Gaskins/Ahmed busting them up for big chunks of yardage.
UW's problem is that Browning is a major liability here. unfortunately he has the ball in his hands every down and he will be forced into passing situations, especially if they get behind. when OSU has been torched this year it's been via big plays, not necessarily via overall scheme, and Browning does not have the arm strength or downfield accuracy to stretch the field efficiently and move the ball if he has to, nor can his receivers create real separation (like Pettis et al as you alluded to). he panics under pressure, is generally inaccurate and shorts balls all over the place..that does mean it's conceivable the PI issues can play a big role and allow UW to sustain drives, but the probability that he doesn't turn the ball over is relatively low because the receiving corps' overall skill edge vs OSU's DBs is negligible if extant at all. he can scramble and that helps mask his deficiency in the passing game..this will help in keeping UW balanced and allow for the gimmick trick plays to potentially be open, but a QB that can scramble and a QB that can run are two different things, and you don't need to gameplan around a QB that can scramble.
OSU gave up i think 8? plays of 70+ yds this season and that's what helped keep teams close and inflated some numbers a little bit (e.g. vs OrSU). Gaskins and Ahmed are how UW has a chance and they simultaneously need Browning to a) keep it clean and b) preferably play well above his head. can he do it? yeah, of course. but if he's not 100% dialed it will be a very long night for UW on offense, even against OSU's sieve. OSU is not Utah, Oregon, Cal, UCLA, or Wazzu in a weather game, and Haskins is the best pure passer in college. OSU put up 560 and 62pts against the top yardage D out there while UW held CAL to 242 total yds and lost & Utah-the 2nd time- to 188 total yds and nearly lost. OSU proved it can score against everyone..UW D has to navigate a minefield here and needs to be perfect.
i love Burr-Kirven and leading the nation in total tackles is notable and impressive, and i don't doubt he'll rack up another 10, but OSU is top-5 in offensive efficiency and nobody UW has seen is a comp, including Oregon & Wazzu: WSU put up 460/gm and 6.2ypp against the 60th ranked schedule, and OSU put up 550/gm and 6.7ypp against the 55th ranked schedule
• OSU is 11th in 3rd Down Conversion rate (.482) and UW is 65th in rate allowed (.388).
• OSU is also 11th in rate allowed (.314) vs UW at 21st in conversions (.454).
• OSU redzone O vs UW redzone D: 119th vs 34th (big advantage UW)
• UW redzone O vs OSU redzone D: 111th vs 109th
i'm with you..there is room for UW success here, but the edge is clearly to OSU even considering how bad they've been defensively. UW is going to have to put up points and if they can't stay on or get off the field on 3rd down (Browning/Haskins difference factor) they will struggle to move the ball and struggle to control pace. if they can't move the ball into the redzone then can't score when they get there, lack of a kicking game also does not help their cause in any close matchups. OSU has been just as bad in the redzone and UW will absolutely need very high efficiency here on both sides if they hope to keep it close, because they're almost certainly going to lose the yardage battle pretty handily.
the game being in California doesn't mean much if anything at all..OSU travels exceptionally well, and if you like narratives, Urban is retiring..the stadium will be like 60/40 OSU fans
i agree in that it's unlikely UW get's completely blown out, but one inopportune turnover from either side and the gameplans for both teams change drastically. the difference is that OSU has the offensive efficiency capability to overcome that and outscore teams..UW really does not. can UW put up 40? because they very well may need to...and the only teams against whom they did it were Oregon St (42) and FCS North Dakota (45). OSU averaged 43.5 every week.
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If you think that the most we're going to score on you is 30 points, you apparently missed The Game.
Ohio State has the second largest alumni base on the planet. There's a reason we takeover venues--regardless of location--whenever enough tickets are released. Since this is a bowl game and each school gets an equal share of tickets, you can absolutely rest assured that the Rose Bowl will be at least 50% scarlet.
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HuskiesvOhioStRoseBowl
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What game did I miss? Are you talking about the Northwestern game? What I saw was Haskins throw a couple TD's on 3rd and longs into blown coverages that separated them in the game... it's foolish if you think UW will allow that to take place. We don't blow coverage. It should also be mentioned that Northwestern plays a similar style of D to UW... we both play zone... difference is we do it much, much, much better. Northwestern was in the game at 24-21 OSU and threw a horrific pick on the wrong side of the field at the 6-minute mark in the 3rd giving OSU all the momentum. Northwestern vs our D is worth 2 less touchdowns in my eyes for OSU.
I'm not saying that OSU's fan base doesn't travel well. What I am saying is I don't expect OSU to perform as well traveling the West Coast when they've struggled outside of the Horse Shoe against some pretty mediocre teams.
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
"THE GAME" references just that, "THE GAME". Ohio State-M*chigan
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OhioState001
Tressel Loyalist
Trust me. Ohio State will travel well for this game regardless if they've struggled against mediocre teams.
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HuskiesvOhioStRoseBowl
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Oh gotcha - yeah I watched that game too. I was surprised, sure. Then again, I really wasn't. Don't you guys always cream Michigan? Especially so against Harbaugh?
Harbaugh plays a stack the box heavy, you're not going to run and we dare you to throw man-to-man right? I think that's about the dumbest style of defense you can possibly play against Haskins. If you put OSU receivers in 1-on-1's you're asking for trouble. I am not all that worried given the difference of styles on defense. Harbaugh, as I'm sure you guys know, is a stubborn moron who arrogantly thinks he doesn't need to change strategy depending on the team he's playing. Seahawks fans saw it first hand when he was the coach of the Niners... he refused to adapt or change and it got him canned.
@ohiostate011 I'm not going to trust you... but I'll toon in. All I'm saying is geography gives us an advantage.
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zincfinger
Gert Frobe-approved
Huskies fan isn't saying the Rose Bowl will be filled with Huskies fans, he's saying that Huskies players become more powerful with proximity to the Pacific Ocean, like Antaeus touching Mother Earth.
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HuskiesvOhioStRoseBowl
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Eh. More that teams from the Eastern Time Zone tend to become weaker the more they head west.
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