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that UW-Milwaukee team was fuggin awesome. they got screwed in the tourny too.JCOSU86 said:
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Buckeye513
Stable Genius
Not fun.i was wondering the whole game how bad it must suck to be listening to this game on the radio with the mix up between butler and jamar butler.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
I can't believe some of you guys being very critical, but it is really early in the season. If we make shots in the first half we are up by 15 at the break. We were all over the court on D, we were pulling down boards getting steals and running up and down the court. Could our shot selection been better in the first half yes, but make no mistakes about it Butler has a nice team, they will make the tourney and could pull and upset on somebody. They had guys that could shoot the ball real well and they really made some clutch shots. We should of sealed the game with Butler's free throw, but he for damn sure made up for that in OT.
I remember some of you guys very critical of Jamar saying he couldnt shoot last year and things to that nature, but just wait till this kid gets hot, it will be lights out like he was at the end of the game.
Wasnt very impressed with Harris and Sylvester, both of them really struglled. Hope they come around, we have a schedule that will really help us gain confidence and I think good things could happen here in Columbus.
By the way how many 3's did Butler(the team) have 10-13 range, hell that will keep you in any game no matter who they are playing, also alot of the shots were contested.
I remember some of you guys very critical of Jamar saying he couldnt shoot last year and things to that nature, but just wait till this kid gets hot, it will be lights out like he was at the end of the game.
Wasnt very impressed with Harris and Sylvester, both of them really struglled. Hope they come around, we have a schedule that will really help us gain confidence and I think good things could happen here in Columbus.
By the way how many 3's did Butler(the team) have 10-13 range, hell that will keep you in any game no matter who they are playing, also alot of the shots were contested.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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11/23/05
11/23/05
Buckeyes Need OT To Get Past Butler
Jamar Butler
By Steve Helwagen
Managing Editor
Date: Nov 22, 2005
Butler mounted a late charge behind some clutch three-point shooting to force overtime Tuesday night at Ohio State. But the Buckeyes, led by some clutch shooting of their own from point guard Jamar Butler, were strong in the extra period and went on to take a 79-69 victory over the game Bulldogs. Click this free link for more.
Turnovers, missed shots and broken defensive assignments.
Such is the nature of November basketball, particularly when the team you are playing has played two more live games than you have.
Ohio State learned a few lessons the hard way as a scrappy Butler team rallied from a 13-point deficit with four minutes left to force overtime in Tuesday’s nonconference match-up. But the Buckeyes did enough in the extra period to claim a 79-69 win before 12,915 at Value City Arena.
OSU’s Jamar Butler and Ron Lewis each hit clutch three-point shots as the shot clock was winding down in overtime as the Buckeyes outscored the Bulldogs 19-9 in that extra period to get the win. The overtime win was OSU’s first since a Jan. 2, 1999, win over Wisconsin, snapping a six-game losing streak in overtime games.
“This was such a tremendous game for us,” said OSU coach Thad Matta, a Butler alum whose team was coming off an 81-52 laugher over Chicago State on Sunday. “I guess I can say that now that we won. But I am glad it happened this way. With this team, one of the biggest challenges we have is getting the guys to understand the small things.
“This is a great example for us to learn from and get better.”
Terence Dials led Ohio State (2-0) with 24 points and seven rebounds.
“This was great to win a game like this in overtime,” said Dials, who was 9 of 16 from the floor. “Coach Matta said after the game that last year we were 0-3 in overtime. This is a big step forward for us and a great step in the right direction.”
Je’Kel Foster added 18 points, while Butler had a career-high 16 points and Lewis scored 13 points and grabbed seven rebounds.
Brandon Crone led Butler (2-2) with 27 points on 5-of-7 shooting from behind the three-point arc. Crone also had seven rebounds and six assists. A.J. Graves was 3 of 6 on three pointers and ended up with 13 points.
“This is what American sports are all about,” said Butler coach Todd Lickliter, who coached Matta as a Butler assistant and then worked for him in Matta’s one year as the head coach there. “Both teams competed and challenged each other.”
The Buckeyes appeared to have everything under control when Dials scored inside to give OSU a 54-41 lead with 4:01 left. But that’s when Butler got hot. The Bulldogs hit five three-pointers in the final 3:47. Crone and Graves each hit a pair of treys during that stretch as Butler gradually whittled the OSU lead.
OSU’s Butler hit a 14-foot jumper followed by a three-pointer to put the Buckeyes up 59-48 with 2:17 left. But this is where the wheels came off for OSU, which was outscored 12-1 over the remainder of regulation.
Graves and Bruce Horan hit threes to cut it to 59-54 with 1:04 left. Lewis then committed a backcourt violation off of an inbounds play with 49.2 seconds left. Butler’s Horan missed a three and OSU’s Lewis rebounded and was fouled. But he made just 1 of 2 free throws, putting OSU ahead 60-54 with 32.8 seconds left.
Crone struck again with a trey with 24.1 seconds left, trimming the gap to 60-57. OSU’s Butler was fouled on the inbounds play, but when he missed the front end of a one-and-one the Bulldogs had a chance to tie the game. Crone missed a three-pointer with 14 seconds left, but the ball was batted out of bounds and Butler retained possession.
On the inbounds play, Crone set up Graves perfectly and he made a 22-foot three-pointer from the top of the key to tie the game at 60-60 with 6.9 seconds left. OSU’s Butler took the inbounds pass and drove down to the baseline, but his 10-foot jumper was off the mark and the ball fell out of bounds at the buzzer.
That capped a half where Butler – the team – had hit 9 of 15 (60 percent) of its three-point shots.
“Those were missed assignments,” said OSU’s J.J. Sullinger, who had six points and a career-high 14 rebounds. “We tried to limit their open looks.
They’re a hard basketball team to guard. Give them credit, man. They knocked down some shots.”
Dials said Matta was calm in the huddle before overtime.
“Coach got us fired up,” Dials said. “He said, ‘It’s 0-0. Let’s play another five-minute game to win.’ I give the credit to Butler. They are a great shooting team. We knew they would never be out of it.
“We watched lots of film and we had the scouting report. You’re not going to pitch a shutout. Good shooters are going to get some shots to fall and that’s what happened tonight.”
Ohio State never trailed in the overtime. Foster gave OSU the lead for good with a spinning driving layup to make it 64-62 with 4:01 left. The Buckeyes then led 67-64 and were letting the shot clock wind down when Butler – the player – hit a long three-pointer with three seconds left on the shot clock to put OSU up 70-64 with 1:46 left.
“That one young man, No. 14, he hit some good shots,” Lickliter lamented.
The same scenario unfolded moments later when Butler fed Lewis for a three-pointer in the right corner – again with three seconds on the shot clock – to stake the Buckeyes to a 73-66 lead with 1:01 left.
“Jamar, I felt like he really took the ball tonight,” Matta said of Butler, who missed the season opener due to a suspension for playing in an unsanctioned summer basketball event. “He made a great pass to Ron in the corner for that three. That was a huge basket. I thought he made some tremendous reads and got the ball to Terence. I was happy he was with us tonight.”
Butler – the team – would not stage another comeback at the end of overtime. Graves missed the front end of a one-and-one with 54.1 seconds left. Meanwhile, Dials made a pair of free throws and Butler – the player -- made four straight to put the game away.
Lewis had nine of his points and Dials scored eight as the Buckeyes led 28-19 at halftime. Lewis actually gave OSU that lead with a clutch three-point play with 5.5 seconds left.
It took OSU 10 minutes of the second half to get on track offensively. The Buckeyes were clinging to a 39-36 lead after Graves made a jumper in the lane with 10:19 left in the game.
The Buckeyes went on a 15-5 run, keyed by six points from Dials and five from Foster, to grab its 54-41 lead with 4:01 left.
Also Notable
* The Buckeyes were, indeed, 0-3 in overtime last year with losses to Creighton in the Guardians Classic final, at LSU (double overtime) and Minnesota.
* It was an up-and-down night for OSU offensively. The Buckeyes ended up 54.2 percent (26 of 48) from the floor, 41.7 percent (5 of 12) on three-pointers and 81.5 percent on free throws (22 of 27).
But the Buckeyes committed 19 turnovers.
“If we shoot 54 percent from the floor, 42 percent on threes and 82 percent at the line, I would be the happiest guy in the world,” Matta said. “It comes down to key turnovers.”
* Sullinger was in the starting lineup at the four in place of Matt Sylvester, who was the only other Buckeye to score. He finished with two points.
* Sullinger's previous career high in rebounds was 11. He tied that mark in Sunday's win over Chicago State.
* Butler's previous career high in points was 13 against Indiana last year.
* This is the first of a four-year series between Ohio State and Butler.
The teams are set to play next year in Indianapolis -- the hometown of incoming recruits Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr. -- as long as OSU is not selected to also play there in the John Wooden Tradition event.
* Matta is now 5-5 in his career in overtime.
* OSU’s last loss at home to a so-called mid-major team was against Bowling Green in 1994.
* Ohio State hosts Virginia Tech Monday at 7:30 p.m. in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. That game will be televised by ESPN2.
“We will take Thursday (Thanksgiving) off,” Matta said. “We will practice tomorrow, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We have a lot of areas we need to get better, especially playing Virginia Tech on Monday night.”
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IronBuckI
Calmer than you are.
Overall, I thought that this was a very good game for us. It was ugly, we weren't allowed to run, and it was a tight game that we came out on top in. We can't expect everyone we play to try and run with us. This offense has to work on their half court game too, and I think this game will convince them of that, with no prodding required from Coach Matta. I don't know what kind of game VaTech has, but I think that the work that Coach gets with these guys between then and now will help them improve in the half court game quite a bit.
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crazybuckfan said:
I wouldn't worry about either guy, especially Syl. His 'questionable' shot selection consisted of one fade away early in the game that didn't fall. The fact of the matter is that Butler is a small, quick squad. They had too many guards and too much speed for either of our fours to see much time. Syl and Harris combined played only 20 minutes (17 and 3, respectively) - needless to say they weren't appropriate matchups.
Anyway, I see a lot of the "We stink," and "Ugly game" sentiments floating around, so I'll just echo what TDials said. We won. In overtime. Butler is a talented, hungry, smart basketball team with a laundry list of very good shooters. A team like that can give anybody a scare, and that's what they did. They threw a very good game at us, and we came out on top. This is what these early games are for - ironing out the wrinkles and finding an identity, and I think we're doing that. You can be certain that Matta will make full use of this experience, and I expect nothing but improvement from here on out.
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OilerBuck
Sweet Crude
Maybe you were watching a different game than I was. Butler may have recent tradition, but they aren't the same Sweet 16 threat. If we play a decent (not great) game, we beat them by 20.
I understand that it's early in the season and we shouldn't be so critical, but let's call a spade, a spade. This team isn't immune from being questioned. Anytime you have nineteen turnovers, shoot 50% from the free throw line in the second half (including missing some clutch ones), and have numerous long scoring droughts...you've played a poor game. As far as threes go, we contested them well most of the first half. After that they took advantage of our overpursuit and made an extra pass for wide open shots. Maybe the last three or two of regulation were contested, but a majority of them weren't. That's why they were magically able to get hot.
Not to say there aren't positives. We rebounded well. Although it's hard not to against a team you have such a size and athletic advantage against. We also turned it on in overtime and played lights out. This team is capable of playing that way an entire game.
I couldn't me more dissapointed in Sylvester and Harris', as someone else pointed out. Neither of them have had a reputation of being consistent. Hopefully this will change so that they can both play up to their great upside. Mayes and Lewis were unimpressive, but we all know they are each capable of great play. Sullinger and Foster worked their butts off and played a very good game...it just seemed everyone else lacked the intensity to really put Butler away. Until overtime, that is.
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Ironically OSU plays Virginia Polytechnic Institute next Monday in basketball and possibly Jan 2 in football in the Orange Bowl.
I'm definitely having Turkey tomorrow...
I'm definitely having Turkey tomorrow...
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Jeffcat
Banned
i agree with oilerbuck. i understand we plugged new people in and things have changed a little but its no excuse to be contested by that kind of team regardless of the time of season. IMO they only had one true threat and that was their one good long range guy(forget his name), the rest of the game dials should have dominated down low with a huge size advantage and we definitely had the quicker team which surprised me we didnt get into more of a transition type of game.
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IronBuckI
Calmer than you are.
We didn't get into more of a transition type of game because Butler was getting back on defense. They had two offensive rebounds the entire game, because all of their players were getting back on defense. Pressure was being applied, but if they are handling the pressure, and there are no kick-out opportunities after a defensive rebound, then transition turns in to half court. They'll work on the half court offensive problems more now, and they'll get better. I would be more worried if this was the game before the Big Ten season starts, but it's only second game of the season. So I'm not worried at all.
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