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Ohio State 68, Findlay 70 (Final)

crazybuckfan40;985568; said:
KK - He acts like he is scared to try and bully someone...You see this with a lot of the young foreign background players...He will be ok, once he gets used to the game, but one thing that stood out to me, was a time he was a step away from the hoop and instead of taking two hands and putting it down, he tried a reverse layup, yes he got fouled, but still you are 7'1'' when you are inside you need to put that down.

That really struck me, his not throwing it down. Granted, GO spoiled us, but KK's got a good to great drop step (at least against Findlay) and not once did he take it up with authority. I figure it's just his "game" whereas GO liked to dunk.

I was happy with KK, don't get me wrong, I just thought after his drop step he should go up strong.

Lauderdale played... what 2 minutes? He had a thundering dunk, and he looks like a man child. Surprised he didn't play much (at all?) in the 2nd.

I figure Findlay was playing as if this game mattered. they had a strong contingent of fans behind the basket closest to their bench and those people were really in to it. The Buckeyes were sluggish and didn't have any .... desire, I guess... more of a "we're here for a run" attitude. If this game was on the record, I think it may have gone differently.
 
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Is this even a serious post? If my team's coach didn't care about who won and would rather have his team lose, I would want him fired tomorrow.

Perfectly serious - by someone who appears to be in the minority in understanding the purpose of a scrimmage.

I coached youth sports for a number of years. I coached many scrimmages. I didn't even pay attention to the score in those "games". I purposely laid challenges in front of my teams to help them develop (JT does it in football games that count). If I had a team with a big ego I was only too happy to end up losing if that got the message across.

Hypothetical question:

You were coaching last nights scrimmage. You go into the game with a list of things you want to work on. Late in the game you have not finished your list, but find yourself behind. Do you abandon the list and try to win the game?

Anyone who would does not have a clue.

I will take it further than that. If I am coaching against Coppin St in December and I see something that I can do as a coach that will cost me the game but make me a better team down the road - I will flat do it. And if you don't think coaches do it every year you are clueless. If you find your team doing something you have screamed at them not to do but they persist and it is causing them to lose, the absolute worst thing you can do is bail them out and have them continue to think they can do it. And lack of effort heads that list.

Do I care if they win? I care if they play hard. I care if they play well. But until you get to the games that count winning is not my #1 priority.

The effort against Findlay wasn't there. I don't want my team learning they can win without trying.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;986496; said:
by the way, folks, michigan state recovered from their loss to grand valley state by thumping michigan tech by a score of 61 to 55.
Good point, the reaction Izzo had to the Spartans loss was also instructive.
He kicked the team out of their ritzy locker-room, telling them they had to earn their way back in.

Losing and then Izzo forcibly cleanses their souls again.
 
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Oh8ch;986467; said:
I coached youth sports for a number of years. I coached many scrimmages. I didn't even pay attention to the score in those "games". I purposely laid challenges in front of my teams to help them develop (JT does it in football games that count). If I had a team with a big ego I was only too happy to end up losing if that got the message across.

Hypothetical question:

You were coaching last nights scrimmage. You go into the game with a list of things you want to work on. Late in the game you have not finished your list, but find yourself behind. Do you abandon the list and try to win the game?

Anyone who would does not have a clue.

I will take it further than that. If I am coaching against Coppin St in December and I see something that I can do as a coach that will cost me the game but make me a better team down the road - I will flat do it. And if you don't think coaches do it every year you are clueless. If you find your team doing something you have screamed at them not to do but they persist and it is causing them to lose, the absolute worst thing you can do is bail them out and have them continue to think they can do it. And lack of effort heads that list.

Do I care if they win? I care if they play hard. I care if they play well. But until you get to the games that count winning is not my #1 priority.

The effort against Findlay wasn't there. I don't want my team learning they can win without trying.

I agree with the concept of what you have said, especially the teachability part of scrimmages and getting a message across to a team. I coach youth baseball (14U travel team), youth football (5th and 6th graders) and youth basketball (5th graders), and during scrimmages I too don't give a damn about the final "score" as much as what I am trying to accomplish. I would not deviate from my goal list to simply attain a win in a "scrimmage" situation.

Yet if I had my baseball team scrimmage a 12U rec league All-Star team, or my football team scrimmage a 3rd and 4th grade team, or my basketball team scrimmage a 3rd grade team, and even though I don't care about the score realized that my team had "lost" the scrimmage (again even though I don't focus on winning as working on things), I couldn't help but have a little embarassment and I sure as hell hope that my team would also have a little embarassment.

Maybe that is where some folks are coming from in that even though it was a scrimmage, and Matta may have had a list of items to work on, the result of working on those things should have still resulted in the team having more points on the board at the end then the DII team.

For the record, this past summer my baseball team played a game against a team that, even though it was a travel team in our age group, was considered a 'B' team, whereas we had an 'A' classification. My team was flat, unispried, expected the other team to give them the game, hell my team expected to run rule them. They even talked about run rule before the game. Long story short, after the 3rd inning I told a couple of my assistants to stop trying to get the team fired up, it was up to them. We lost the game 8 - 7. It was an embarassing loss that counted in our overall record.

Yet that loss provided me with a great post game talk, a short one at that, that ended with me telling the team that they needed to talk...have a players only meeting if you will. They talked and talked and then, on their own, they ran wind sprints, then they ran some more wind sprints. The next day we played in a tournament and won it. The next weekend we won another tournament. The next tournament we finished second in. I think that after that embarassment of a loss, we went 15 - 2, and the 2 we lost were in states. And somehow by some fluke we ran across the team that gave us the embarassing loss in a subsequent tournament and beat them 25 - 3.
 
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Well at least a ranked team lost a game that counted to somebody embarassing too.

Gardner-Webb rolls to New York with rout at Kentucky

LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) -- Billy Gillispie's second game as Kentucky's coach was one he'd rather forget -- and Gardner-Webb will remember for a long time.

Grayson Flittner scored 22 points to help Gardner-Webb beat the No. 20 Wildcats 84-68 Wednesday night in the 2K Sports College Hoops Classic.

"You can't just show up on the court and think you're going to beat somebody because you wear a certain jersey," said Gillispie, who turned 48 Wednesday. "We didn't play like a hunter tonight."
Cont....

ESPN.com - NCB - Gardner-Webb rolls to New York with rout at Kentucky
 
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I think this will also wake the players up to the fact that coaching / game planning / scheme have everything to do with team success. Basketball can seem like a game where you can just throw 5 guys out there who are better athletes than the other team and win, and that may have been the attitude of some of the younger members of this team. If it was I'm sure that has chaged a bit. This is similar to JT playing Akron to a 3-2 first half score. He did very little to put his team in position to have success in that game, but quite a lot to have success in the season.
 
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Just visited the thread for the first time and read every post......there are two comments I want to express....

1. We have work to do
2. It does not count

The rest doesn't matter.....this game will not be a preview of the season....to much talent and great coach.....they are young.....trying to find their roles.......they will get it done......teams better get them early if they can.....because in my opinion, by Big Ten time......they will have grown.

Some of you need a reality check.
 
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lots of excuses, some overreactors some underreactors.

this team got its ass kicked. cant get up for a d2 team, what do you think that says about the kids?

this team hasnt played defense, hasnt rebounded hasnt hustled in their two other public appearances. tom izzo is not allowing his team in the lockerroom as they dont deserve it.

matta has stressed since the first practice this isnt a very good team, not due to talent, due to attention to detail in effort.

lets be honest with ourselves, this game doesnt count. matta didnt approach it that way, the team half assed their way through both exhibition games with minimal effort and minimal charecter, no sense of urgency and no competitive composure.

i would have enjoyed being a fly on the wall, though i wouldnt want to be a running shoe this week with the pounding that is likely to go out.

long story short, i know a few coaches who after a game like that would have had the team mortified.

story time: once a long long time ago, when shorts were short and coaches were real hard asses i knew a team that played awful uninspired ball in a early season game. this team had a big game coming up in week, the team took the "cupcake" easily and played awful losing the game. this team on the eve of big game was told by their coaches to celebrate the big game new unis had been purchased. said team, with short shorts showed up on game day to the game to play, when they arrived they prepared for the game as normal as the game approached the coach came out of the lockerroom with a large box. the coach sat down on a chair in front of the chalk board and opened the box. the box was opened and out came some "uniforms" these "uniforms" were nothing more than basic reversible practice jerseys that smelled awful, coach who alwyas called us by name began to shout "10, 37" etc as he tossed out these raggied worn out practice uniforms. a couple of kids held these things stunned, until one kid who finally raised his voice "coach i thought we were getting brand new uniforms for this big game" coach came back "son, you dont deserve to wear your 'old' unifrorms that players before you laid the tradition in, i am doing each and everyone of you a favor but giving you uniforms that dont have your family names on them, so you wont embrass your families again with another piss poor effort" coach got up and walked out. not really knowing what to do we looked around, assemebled what we had for uniforms and broke down as a team. words that are not family approp were spoken and the team pissed as all get out left the lockerroom. the gym was full, the band blared and the doors broke open as the entire school, family friends the community waited in anticipation to see the new uniforms. we ran out onto the floor and the band stopped playing, the noise stopped the clapping faded out and it was so awkward words couldnt describe it. later down the road i asked coach one time as he was getting older why he took that approach and i was told that he had tried to motivate us by screamiing, yelling, running us. he had tried to point out how we had played without effort, without courage and without desire. he told me how during that week between games he tried everything he could think of. he told me how us young blockhead kids wouldnt take, he tried to explain to us how with lack of effort, desire and passion had let out team down, each other down, the school down, the community down, how in short words had made an ass of ourselves with our simple inability to play with pride. he told me he spent sleepless nights thinking of a way, and that this came to him. i still remember that night, we came out and shot the ball awfully, but we played defense, rebounded and hustled every damn ball. we kept it close all night, as halftime approached we got the ball, the ball was brought over the time line, a guard called a time out. we all huddled up, coach never got off the bench, he looked at us. long hard stare, to this day i swear if i didnt know timeouts were only a minute id tell you it was two hours or more before he got up, "boys, have you decided to play" the team responded "yes sir" he came back and said "who are you playing for" answers were sprinkeled "the school, the community, coach, our families, etc" coach looked us all in the eyes and one by one scanned us, "i dont give a damn about those sons of a bitches, if you dont play with pride in your own work, pride in you game, pride in your effort how can you say you are playing for each other, nobody outside of this huddle matters, it is team game, each one of you is an individual piece that functions as a cog in machine that creates synergies greater than the pieces if each person plays greater than themselves" coach looked around and in his way of sliding john wooden in "If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes."

that night i learned a very valuable life lesson, one that some of you reading that story will grasp in whole, others of you will say what the hell is this loony man speaking of, some will fall in between. those who understand it will understand, some people it will seep in, others it will be a seed planted to one day reflect on, others may never get it...
 
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