First of all, I think a lot of people confuse Matta for Tressel on here. you mean matta wasnt the guy in ann arbor in a sweater vest? Usually Matta or his players dont stay around long enough to be developed. What player has Matta ever recruited and coached for four years? is that a trick question? matta has only coached at ohio state for 3 years, this being his fourth In his history of being a coach can you name a player Matta recruited and then coached for four years? see above...Conley was a 5 star recruit who was undersold because of Oden, according to who? undersold five star? clearly scouts knew how good he was and people who saw him in highschool knew how good he was. so did everyone on here The one thing I have noticed about Matta's development of players is that he lets them keep their shooting form. Obrien wanted all the players to have the perfect form, Matta pretty much lets players shoot how theyre comfortable. i dont necessarily agree, but ok for sake of continuing conversationHence why his players tend to be incredibly streaky. I like Matta, but what 3 point shooter has he ever coached that wasnt streaky...Foster, Cook, Lewis, Butler, Sylvester and pretty much all of his shooters have been streaky because Matta doesnt insist his players adopt the perfect form. matt sylvester was a matta player now? what shooter isnt streaky? who isnt streaky when they shoot? by definition arent 'shooters' streaky? Conley's form was pretty bad, he couldnt hit 3's in the middle of the season and got hot at the end. conley never hit more than 2 threes in a game, he did that three times. he never hit more than one after valentines day, guess we need to define "hot"Anyone who saw Conley in highschool knew how he dribbledi did, if you watched him against UNC near the beginning of the season you knew what he was capable of. i did, i also noted a lot of bad habits, playing the wrong angles, tendency for an extra dribble, floor positioning that left a lot to be desired, and some other things that he improved vastly. that unc game was up and down, mike really didnt even really start improving at great strides until jan. remember how he got beat around against the gators in dec?There is no denying that Cook regressed over the season. i tend to disagree, i think the game style changed, that change didnt favor cook. i still dont think without him we would have stopped or beaten memphis. hes averaging what 10ppg early in his nba career? Oden didnt have time to develop. you didnt see an improvement in his footwork? Lighty's offensive game didnt improve last year. really? the magic wand was waved and he became the offensive player he is now overnight? or was it when he got all coached up on a 10 day visit to europe?Twig averaged 2 points 1 rebound a game all last year. i looked it up, its 1.8 rpgHe got time because of foul trouble. change of pace player, stole some valuable minutes for us down the stretch. the last two seasons hes averaged over 10 mins a game...I dont know how you can say Twig developed over last year. 7 times in big ten play he played over 11 minutes..Also i dont know how people can say that without a doubt Diebler has more talent that Terwilliger. basketball isnt always about talent. They were ranked about the same coming out of highschool and both were able to use their size on smaller Ohio kids, kids in indiana are obviously bigger. kids from the south are faster...Twigs got minutes as a freshman as well and many would say his development has been disappointing. many would say the sun never shines on a dogs ass...hell ive seen it happen two or three times in my lifetimeI saw him in high school and I think it is disappointing he never became a starter at OSU.sorry to hear that. only five players can start. and yup id never want role players on my team...
Also, Keith Diebler is a coach, i am aware of thatim not talking about him as a father, but as a coach. As a coach he is disliked by many people in Ohio and at Valparaiso. interesting, not everyone is liked by everyone. people dislike jim tressel, people dislike jesus, mohammed, god and all kinds of people. with all due respect when you mention a parent, or family member in a negative light with little else to say and more importantly in a manner that is attacking dont expect it to go well. if youd like to imply that your own father is a no good ass, do so. but, dont do it in the sports section of the place. i really dont know what to say to you about this. im going to say this, my mother told me a long time ago as a kid if i didnt have anything nice to say dont say it all. this extends on here. weve been over this with kids. sometimes its better not to say something. when you begin to cross the line of attacking and it is no longer in a constructive manner it is not welcome here. i am no mod, i have been here for almost 4 years and will tell you this: their are some coaches in ohio i do not like aas people, coaches or as humans. you will not hear me bring speculation, rumors and other things outside of their x and os into a conversation unless it is in a positive manner. nothing good arises out of such conversationsSeriously, does anyone think Keith Diebler is as good of a coach as Gene Pingatore? who brought him into the conversation? he has had what five seasons that he didnt crack double digits in wins? i dont think keiths x and os or mr pingatore has much to do with this conversation. Id love to hear the logic behind that. shouldnt you change your name to illibuckfan?
you could have atleast tossed out an ohio or pa legend.
Does anyone really believe that Diebler is playing point? I just watched the Columbia game again, he had the ball at the top of the key for a grand total of 20 seconds the entire game, he never dribbled the ball more than 5 times in a row and that was in the corner. I mean I know im blowing your minds but you could try to answer the questions.point guards are supposed to dribble as much as possible in the half court set, and they have to be within 13 inches of the top of the key...
Rank the following players as defenders. No lines, no excuses, just straight up answers:
Jamar Butler
David Lighty
Evan Turner
Eric Wallace
Jon Diebler
who are they defending? match ups are huge in my book. ill grant you i wouldnt pick diebler as the best at pretty much anything except maybe his geometric understanding of the game.
And as athletes? jumping high and running fast is all that matters...As ball handlers? id rather have passers than ballhandlersAs rebounders? im a big fan of boxing out, i dont put that much stock into individual rebounding at the game level, on the possession level yes, game level id rather have a rebounding unit than one guy playing outside of a system, just not a fan of a guy flying out of position to chase ballsI really am curious what you think, because to me the answers pretty obvious, but then again to me Diebler doesnt play point guard and players who average 3 points per game/5 shots per game, against Columbia and Wisconsin Green Bay should not be pencilled in as being dominant players against Indiana, North Carolina and tennessee.who said he was dominate? i cant think of a player whod id grade out at more than a six or seven out of ten on any performance this year...
ill be polite about this. i do not know who you are, where you are from and what if any motive you might have. you sound mildly disgruntled and come across as confrontational and attacking. that may just be that you are forward with your thoughts i have no idea. here at buckeyeplanet we have a few simple rules, dont attack coaches/players/families and treat people with respect. i ask that you do that and your thoughts and views are more than welcome here. disagree with a shot selection, a sub or something like that its great to discuss, think they should have played man, great. question a kids effort or drive for a game, usually ok if done in an appropriate manner. call out a kids dad and imply things in a thread that has nothing to do with that and you are treading on thin ice. we like to discuss things. the great thing about basketball is the game can be played so many ways, so many styles, so many packages so many subs etc that their is a lot to talk about discuss/debate. most of the time we dont agree, but we learn to take each others perspective to make ourselves better and more knowledgeable fans. heck 40 and i went at it once over the importance of guard play vs paint play in the tournament. so ill ask you, if you care to be a contributing member of this community please do, if not please leave. thanks
