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Game Thread Ohio State 34, Minnesota 21 (Sep. 27)

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stpaulgoph;1270171; said:
How do you all think this will play out?

I know tOSU fans are dying to see the great RB and great QB in the same backfield, but I am not totally sold on it being light years better, and here is why:

Individually both players are awesome (esp Beanie), and but they are both suited for completely opposite offensive schemes.

Beanie is not a spread back, or an ideal back from the pistol. He is easily most effective running from 7 yards deep in the power I. When he is healthy and lined up this way he is the best RB in the country IMHO,

Pryor is most effective in the spread or pistol, not under center. The run/pass option is killer with him and his biggest asset (he is a competent passer but not the best pure passer in HS last year).

So while they are both great players, an offensive scheme that tilts towards one guys talent (Power I or Spread) doesnt fully take advantage of the others abilities.

Or in other words--its hard to imagine an offensive scheme that exploits both their talents fully.

Welcome your thoughts--I am a Gopher fan so obviously not well versed in tOSU football but this is what I see.
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I see what you are saying but:


someone correct me if i am wrong...but Pryor threw two of his TD passes from under center. Also, I think Pryor makes his best runs out of called pass plays when he tucks and runs.

Imagine Pryor handing off to Beanie 6 times in a row for 5 yards a pop. Then comes the play action...if no one is open its time for TP to run. Todd Boekman took this team to the Title game with the hand off and play action, now the QB can run it if no one is open. It is adds an extra dimension to the offensse for sure.

I still see this offense as a power running team with Beanie and then sprinkle in some shotgun throws and an option play here or there.
 
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stpaulgoph;1270171; said:
How do you all think this will play out?

I know tOSU fans are dying to see the great RB and great QB in the same backfield, but I am not totally sold on it being light years better, and here is why:

Individually both players are awesome (esp Beanie), and but they are both suited for completely opposite offensive schemes.

Beanie is not a spread back, or an ideal back from the pistol. He is easily most effective running from 7 yards deep in the power I. When he is healthy and lined up this way he is the best RB in the country IMHO,

Pryor is most effective in the spread or pistol, not under center. The run/pass option is killer with him and his biggest asset (he is a competent passer but not the best pure passer in HS last year).

So while they are both great players, an offensive scheme that tilts towards one guys talent (Power I or Spread) doesnt fully take advantage of the others abilities.

Or in other words--its hard to imagine an offensive scheme that exploits both their talents fully.

Welcome your thoughts--I am a Gopher fan so obviously not well versed in tOSU football but this is what I see.
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In the pistol, Beanie will be liining up 7 yards deep right behind the center.
he just won't have a FB in front of him like the I.

He has, IMHO, been better as a single back anyway, so I think he will be fine.

What you are discounting is that with the pistol, the defense has to be more assignment conscious - they can't overplay Beanie because of the threat of TP keeping it.
It will make both TP and Beanie more effective, I think, in the running game.

If the right side of our line and a certain receiver step up their games, I think we will be very good offensively.
 
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Tlangs;1270180; said:
someone correct me if i am wrong...but Pryor threw two of his TD passes from under center. I think Pryor makes his best runs out of called pass plays when he tucks and runs.
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I see what you are saying, but I am pretty confident of two things:

1. Lining up Pryor under center would be idiotic waste of his abilities
2. Tressel is not an idiot :biggrin:

Pryor as a pocket passer is not a way tOSU will rebound in Big Ten play...even with the occasional tuck and run option..just this fans take.
 
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When the back field has two dynamic players such as Pryor and Wells, the defense has to tread lightly about blitzing. A draw play to Beanie when the defense blitzes would mean lights out for the Gophers. Also, DE's can't key on the running game and contain Pryor on the corners at the same time, that means the Mike has to move freeing up between the hash marks for Nicol and Ballard to eat them alive.

With Beanie and Pryor, any defense will have its hands full. Think White/Slaton or Young/Charles. Only Pryor can actually throw the ball.
 
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I think having both will definetly be an advantage. TP can play under center just fine and I actually like him on play action rollout plays from under center. Also, I think Beanie can manage from the Shotgun just fine. While they aren't a match made in heaven formationally, we at least have two legitimate big play threats on offense, which will always help you.
 
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scooter1369;1270200; said:
different styles, yes. But no less dynamic. Even more so.
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Yes way different styles. Those guys you described are spread backs. Beanie isnt a spread back. Thats not a bad thing, just not his "A" game.

Things will be interesting, but I would be hesitant (especially without seeing them together) to compare these guys to Slaton/White and Charles/Young just yet.

Do you think Boeckman will appear at all?
 
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stpaulgoph;1270205; said:
Yes way different styles. Those guys you described are spread backs. Beanie isnt a spread back. Thats not a bad thing, just not his "A" game.

Things will be interesting, but I would be hesitant (especially without seeing them together) to compare these guys to Slaton/White and Charles/Young just yet.

Do you think Boeckman will appear at all?
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Actually, I don't expect Boeckman to get more playing time than he had last week. I wouldn't be surprised if Tressel didn't play him again until the Bucks went on the road, where he can actually take a snap without a bunch hiljacks in the stands booing him.
 
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stpaulgoph;1270205; said:
Yes way different styles. Those guys you described are spread backs. Beanie isnt a spread back. Thats not a bad thing, just not his "A" game.

Things will be interesting, but I would be hesitant (especially without seeing them together) to compare these guys to Slaton/White and Charles/Young just yet.

Do you think Boeckman will appear at all?
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I would be hesitant as well, but only because TP and Beanie are potentially MORE explosive than either of the two duo you mentioned.BTW, those are a great couple of ball players to compare these guys to,makes for a good discussion!

Based on only a few games, TP can throw,makes good decisions,throws with power on the run and in the pocket, and can obviously take off. The kid is a player in the best sense.White, while a tremendous talent, has still not figured out the passing game as yet,gets caught in bad decisions and sometimes just takes a play or two off.TP also has the ability to out Young-Young. I'm really enthused by not only his ability, but his maturity in putting the team first. He obviously got that reinforced from Todd, or so I think.:wink2:

In terms of Beanie,when healthy, I feel he's one of the top three college backs in the last 5 years. He's explosive,powerful and doesn't shy away from contact. What's remarkable about him is that for a big dude, he's got a second gear that is readily available. You can see it on the td run against Scum in the 06 game.One move,shakes Crable and he's gone.His speed and power, and the ability to apply those at will in motion, are what separate him from the above backs.

Obviously I'm a homer, but in terms of raw talent, I put these guys against anyone in the college game right now. The only limit on their abilities would be the at times pedantic playcalling.
 
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Yeah, let's not talk about White/Slaton here, because that's just not true. Those are two fast kids running an option every down because when Pat White ran up the middle he broke his wrist.

This is more like...the defense will have to be ready for the sheer strength and vision of Beanie, the mobility and speed of Pryor....the way I see it working is you can't load up the box or Pryor can take it around the corner, and you can't spread it out to protect against the pass/bootleg because Beanie will run you over. And if either player gets out into the open, it's a huge gain.

Beanie always moved piles, but when defenses have to worry about TP taking off, there won't be whole piles to move. And then the play action - they have to press the line of scrimmage to stop Beanie and Pryor, so the receivers should be able to get open very easily. And the worst part is the safeties freeze on the play action, and then freeze again when they have to worry if TP is running!
 
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MajesticTurkey;1270332; said:
Yeah, let's not talk about White/Slaton here, because that's just not true. Those are two fast kids running an option every down because when Pat White ran up the middle he broke his wrist.

This is more like...the defense will have to be ready for the sheer strength and vision of Beanie, the mobility and speed of Pryor....the way I see it working is you can't load up the box or Pryor can take it around the corner, and you can't spread it out to protect against the pass/bootleg because Beanie will run you over. And if either player gets out into the open, it's a huge gain.

Beanie always moved piles, but when defenses have to worry about TP taking off, there won't be whole piles to move. And then the play action - they have to press the line of scrimmage to stop Beanie and Pryor, so the receivers should be able to get open very easily. And the worst part is the safeties freeze on the play action, and then freeze again when they have to worry if TP is running!
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Exactly.Well said!
 
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