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Game Thread Ohio State 34, Minnesota 21 (Sep. 27)

matcar;1274995; said:
Those of you caring about the score or the polls are lost....just lost. Look, if we're fortunate enough to go through the rest of the schedule undefeated (and the way our d-line is playing, I wouldn't count on it), then where Auburn and USF are will be irrellevant. Seems like we should just be focused on our next opponent rather than worrying about polls. Sheesh, the team that shellacked us by 30+ just got done getting exposed by what other folks are now calling the "real OSU". So I'd think we could sit the fuck down, eat our humble pie, and focus on the next game and let the polls take care of themselves.

We don't have to prepare for opponents, so what's the harm in discussing this? I don't really think anyone is acting arrogant about it. It's all hypothetical. The polls do make a difference. They're kind of why we made the title game last year, and this year looks just as crazy so far.
 
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matcar;1274995; said:
Those of you caring about the score or the polls are lost....just lost. Look, if we're fortunate enough to go through the rest of the schedule undefeated (and the way our d-line is playing, I wouldn't count on it), then where Auburn and USF are will be irrellevant. Seems like we should just be focused on our next opponent rather than worrying about polls. Sheesh, the team that shellacked us by 30+ just got done getting exposed by what other folks are now calling the "real OSU". So I'd think we could sit the [censored] down, eat our humble pie, and focus on the next game and let the polls take care of themselves.

I'm more worried about how it could hurt our team as a whole to have them hold back in certain situations. I can remember last year against Washington when Brandon Saine ran a 37 yard td while the clock was running down and Tressel acted as if he had committed a sin.

Sorry coach, next time we'll just hand the ball to the other team. I thought the goal was to score points, not curtsy and kiss their hand.
 
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3074326;1274941; said:
I think it has more to do with us being Ohio State at this point. I know we're a different team, and we will be a much different team at the end of the year, but most people don't care anymore. We were exposed against an elite team, again, and I think that was our shot at redemption this year. Just my opinion, and I do realize that I'm in the minority with this opinion. I don't really see us moving up unless we pound our remaining strong opponents (mainly Penn State and Wisconsin, although Wisconsin losing yesterday did not help at all).

I don't think it's fair/right. I just think that's how it's going to go down.

When Michigan and Purdue give up 30 some points to a mediocre Notre Dame, when OSU is still waltzing in the 4th quarter with Ohio U, when Michigan then turns around and beats the highest ranked Big 10 team, I gotta think the pollsters are looking at the conference and all its members and thinking maybe this ain't the year.
 
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cincibuck;1275117; said:
When Michigan and Purdue give up 30 some points to a mediocre Notre Dame, when OSU is still waltzing in the 4th quarter with Ohio U, when Michigan then turns around and beats the highest ranked Big 10 team, I gotta think the pollstera are looking at the conference and all its members and thinking maybe this ain't the year.

Yup.
 
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Telekinesis;1275013; said:
I'm more worried about how it could hurt our team as a whole to have them hold back in certain situations. I can remember last year against Washington when Brandon Saine ran a 37 yard td while the clock was running down and Tressel acted as if he had committed a sin.

Sorry coach, next time we'll just hand the ball to the other team. I thought the goal was to score points, not curtsy and kiss their hand.

Well said, but Tressel seems to have much vision and playing the #2s may not run up the score (committing a sin) but it also gives valubale PT which helps those guys put points on the board next year. What better chance will they have to gain experience and maybe even score. It's a delicate balance but weighted more heavily in favor of building up next years team.

No politeness just shrewd coaching IMO.
 
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I love this pic. TP getting ready to unload. Great shot.

And Brewster in the background.
 
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cincibuck;1275117; said:
When Michigan and Purdue give up 30 some points to a mediocre Notre Dame, when OSU is still waltzing in the 4th quarter with Ohio U, when Michigan then turns around and beats the highest ranked Big 10 team, I gotta think the pollstera are looking at the conference and all its members and thinking maybe this ain't the year.

NW, who is still undefeated, held OU to four rushing yards. PSU is kicking ass. Just because the names aren't the ones you're used to seeing, doesn't mean the B10 is weak. This is a tOSU thing with the polls, not so much a B10 thing. It's personal. They've looked foolish putting us "where we don't belong", now it's their personal revenge. Otherwise, Wisky wouldn't have been in the top ten, and PSU sure as hell wouldn't be sixth right now.
 
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jmorbitz;1275134; said:
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I love this pic. TP getting ready to unload. Great shot.

And Brewster in the background.

Timmy is almost getting ready to complain that there wasn't a "roughing the linebacker" flag thrown.

He was not happy about the officials after the game, fyi.
 
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Rookie;1274918; said:
Ohio we struggled, Troy we struggled, and Minnesota scored 21 on us even though the game was well in hand. As Mark May would say a top team would blow these teams out. I'm not saying I agree with him, but ever since last year the pollsters started to actually look at the scores rather than the records. Until the pollster actually watch each and every game they are not going to have a fucking clue.

Would someone mind filling in the blanks for me?

____ Mark May!
____ the pollsters and their polls!

IF we win out; then the two parties above can suck on their irrelevancy for yet another season.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1274872; said:
He's never going to touch Beanie or Clarett status...

Based on what? 1st 5 games...

Beanie
39 carries for 176 & 1 TD, 4.5 ypc

Boom
58 carries for 262 & 1 TD, 4.5 ypc


No, I'm not suggesting that Boom is better than Beanie, but production wise he is right up there. He'll get better just like Beanie did, so only time will tell how things develop.

FWIW, people seem to forget how good Clarett really was. In Beanie's freshman season, he totaled 576 yards & 11 TDs on 104 carries (including another 2 TD receptions) in 13 games. In his first 5 games, Clarett totaled 715 yards & 11 TDs (plus another TD receiving) on 113 carries. For the year, he had 1,237 yards & 16 TDs on 222 carries in 11 games. All this, plus he helped Ohio State win a national title in his first and (unfortunately) only opportunity. Beanie is a great player no doubt, but he is no Clarett IMO.
 
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I was talking with an Auburn fan tonight about the difference in how Tressel and Tubberville use second and third string players in the second half of a game that they're dominating. Tressel will start using reserves after the first possession in the third quarter, and use a large number of second and third teamers. Auburn doesn't do this, only throwing in reserves for a few plays here and there.

The end result is that late in the year, we have a deeper team. It's not just building for next year, it's building for the same year. A classic example I'll use is that Hawk and Mangold were able to contribute in the NC game their Freshman year. Certainly, that helped both our OL and LB rotation in that game.

You guys longing for the days of John Cooper hanging 72 point on Rice are welcome to your view, but try on the idea that there's more to be gained in a game like this one than simply impressing some assclown reporters in polyester suits with your "explosive" offense. Preparing your team, coaching, teaching, getting young players on film, showing recruits that your Freshmen and Sophomores PLAY, building your rotation, and yes, building the future are all goals that can be achieved in the second half of a game that's well in hand.

IMO, during most seasons, the Tressel method works. His teams get better top to bottom from late August through January. By the bowl game, guys who started the year on third team have worked their way into the rotation, and Freshmen are playing like upperclassmen. A big part of that growth is putting them on the field for a full half (or close to it) in games like this one.

The cost is having a final score that's less "impressive" than it could have been. When you understand the intent, it's a lot easier to accept what you're seeing on the field.

Personally, I think Telekinesis' comments about the Washington game are over the top, and he's mixing two entirely different situations. Tressel didn't "blame" Saine for scoring. He simply showed class by making it clear that it wasn't a deliberate Spurrier-like play call meant to humiliate Washington at home. In that circumstance, it's about winning with class. Games like this one are about putting in your younger players to get them some experience with a conference opponent.

As has been pointed out in numerous posts, polls and beauty contests no longer matter this season, so there's no reason to get back to the same old Bucknuts 2002 season arguments about Tressel being opposed to scoring or offense out of some kind of religious beliefs. :roll1: Win the games, win the conference, win the Rose Bowl and it's a successful season.
 
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Worm02;1275245; said:
Based on what? 1st 5 games...

Beanie
39 carries for 176 & 1 TD, 4.5 ypc

Boom
58 carries for 262 & 1 TD, 4.5 ypc


No, I'm not suggesting that Boom is better than Beanie, but production wise he is right up there. He'll get better just like Beanie did, so only time will tell how things develop.

FWIW, people seem to forget how good Clarett really was. In Beanie's freshman season, he totaled 576 yards & 11 TDs on 104 carries (including another 2 TD receptions) in 13 games. In his first 5 games, Clarett totaled 715 yards & 11 TDs (plus another TD receiving) on 113 carries. For the year, he had 1,237 yards & 16 TDs on 222 carries in 11 games. All this, plus he helped Ohio State win a national title in his first and (unfortunately) only opportunity. Beanie is a great player no doubt, but he is no Clarett IMO.

Some good points, except that Beanie has not played one full game healthy since he began his Sophomore season, and given that as a Freshman he played behind Pittman and was so amped when inserted he had fumble issues, I don't think we've seen the full measure of his talent yet, to this day, and may not ever as a Buckeye if he heads to the NFL. Not to take anything away from MoClare, just defendin' the Bean.
 
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