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Game Thread Ohio State 16, Purdue 3 (Oct. 11th)

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Boilers shake it up to meet Buckeyes
Can Elliott unseat Painter as starting QB? Not today.
By Pete DiPrimio
of The News-Sentinel

WEST LAFAYETTE ? So who is Joey Elliott and can he really unseat Curtis Painter as Purdue?s starting quarterback the rest of the season?

First, understand that Painter is still the starter. Coach Joe Tiller made that clear minutes after Saturday?s 20-6 loss to No. 6 Penn State. Painter will start Saturday at No. 12 Ohio State because he gives the Boilers the best chance to win.

Painter, after all, ranks second to Drew Brees in Purdue history in passing yardage. He ranks among the best in every significant school career passing category. Before the season the school launched a mini-Heisman Trophy candidate campaign with Painter.

Of course, when after five games you?ve thrown five touchdown passes and five interceptions, as Painter has done for the 2-3 Boilers, that kind of campaign has a way of disappearing.

And so it has.

Still, if Purdue is to earn a bowl bid in Tiller?s final season, something has to change. As Bob Knight so famously said so many times, the best way to send a message to a player?s brain is through his, well, rump. In other words, bench him.

So Painter got to watch Elliott direct a fourth-quarter touchdown drive ? showing poise and patience in the process ? to suggest Painter might watch more if he doesn?t improve his play.

So who is Elliott?
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MililaniBuckeye;1282852; said:
So he should go ahead and ignore what he's being taught because he's still a true freshman?
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Pryor's patience is amazing. One can hope that he will quickly grasp more and more of the offense and where his receivers are. I also applaud Pryor for not just pulling it down and running it. It makes him FAR more effective on the whole. Having said that, I was frazzled by the end of Wiscy with him holding on so long. I'm guessing he's not going to have that kind of time most weeks. So he's going to be pressed to make a decision sooner. Count me as one person hoping that his decision is to throw it to Posey for 6!

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Tiller sticking with Painter at QB
October 6, 2008 9:36 AM
Posted by ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg
Fifth-year senior Curtis Painter will start at quarterback when Purdue visits No. 12 Ohio State on Saturday (ABC, 3:30 p.m. ET). Whether Painter takes snaps the entire game remains to be seen.
Boilermakers coach Joe Tiller reiterated Sunday that Painter would start despite replacing the record-setting quarterback with Joey Elliott in the fourth quarter of last week's loss to No. 6 Penn State. Tiller nearly replaced Painter two weeks earlier against Central Michigan and made the switch after Painter completed just 13 of 22 passes for 112 yards and an interception against the Nittany Lions.
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I'm a student here at Purdue, and have been following the Boilers all season long. The Oregon game killed not only our season, but possibly the next few years of our program. Although most of you have seen my OSU videos on my YouTube page (kitchel22130) and my allegiance will never waver towards the Buckeyes.
Here's a break down of the Boilers for all you Buckeye fans (and trust me, no one knows the Boilers as much as me right now, I've seen every poor performance they've had at Ross-Ade this year).
1. Curtis Painter will start against the Bucks. Back-up QB Joey Elliott came in on the final Purdue drive against #6 Penn State and led a 75 yard TD drive. For some reason, Tiller still wants to stick with Curtis. I don't know if its because Painter has his own website to promote his Heisman Trophy campaign (which never even had a chance, by the way, its curtispainter12.com), but Joe never seems to want to make a change. Painter will once again lose it to the pressure from the Buckeye D and will have a horrible game more than likely. Also for those who love watching quarterbacks who stare at one receiver the entire play, Painter is a great example of what happens when a QB has tunnel vision.
2. The Boilers O-Line has been ridiculously hampered with injuries all season long. They've been moving around players all season long and can't seem to get things figured out. Penn State got a lot of pressure on Painter, and there's no reason why the Bucks can't do the same.
3. Kory Sheets is a very underrated back, but is only successful if his O-Line can make holes up the middle on the lead draw plays from shotgun. Refer to point #2 on that case.
4. Greg Orton is a big play receiver for the Boilers, but Painter tends to never look his way...EVER.
Offensive Recap - The Boilers have some talent and some big play players, but Painter always brings down the offense because of his poor field awareness and his terrible pocket presence and mobility. All the Bucks have to do is send James or Freeman on blitzes and Painter will have a rough game. Key in on the pass, because the O-Line won't be able to make any holes for Sheets against the Buckeye front 4.
1. Here's an appropriate analogy. Purdue Defense : Swiss Cheese. If you didn't see it, Evan Royster ran all over the Boilers last week and even back up back Stephon Green was able to make some big runs. The front 4 is talented and DE #94 Ryan Kerrigan & DT #90 Ryan Baker are the best up front. They are very inconsistent, and usually don't play well unless the crowd is behind them, so not too much to worry when they travel to the Shoe.
2. The linebackers can also be compared to the Boilers O-Line, as Purdue's linebacking core has rotated linebackers all season long. Since they've had so many injuries, Purdue has been forced to play a TON of nickel, which gives teams easy opportunities to run right up the gut. Freshman Joe Holland is a plesant surprise and continues to improve, and Senior Anthony Heygood is the best player on the Boilers defense. Basically, you could say the front 7 for Purdue is very inexperienced and inconsistent.
3. The secondary is quite possibly one of the worst in the country. Purdue's so-called 'shut down' corner David Pender (#9) was toasted against Notre Dame and Penn State with out routes, fly routes, and any other route you can think of. You will notice immediately that the Boiler corners can't keep up at all with speed receivers because they give every team they play a 7 yard cushion to the receivers. Safeties McLean (22) and Duong (3) are improving, but extremely inexperienced. Don't be too surprised if Robo and Hartline have big games.
Defensive Recap - Pryor and Beanie are going to be a 2-man wrecking crew and could both have over 100 yards rushing. I wouldn't be too surprised if Beanie goes over 200 in this one. Tressel could basically have this offense score at will in this one.
Special Teams
- Boilers are strong in the return game, with Desmond Tardy (6) but Penn State completely took that aspect of the game away by punting and kicking away from him. OSU will probably do the same.
- Kicker Chris Summers (13) has gone 1-4 in his last 3 games kicking and even shanked an extra point against the Nittany Lions. He has been replaced by freshman Carson Wiggs (37) as the Boilers place kicker. Summers will take over the punting duties.
Basically, the my Buckeyes shouldn't have any problems with my Boilermakers. Although historically, Ohio State has had a tough time playing against Purdue at home, but this isn't Drew Brees or Kyle Orton playing on offense. And no, Niko Koutivides will not be playing, which means Purdue won't be able to block any kicks in this matchup.
I will be at the game with my Purdue jersey and my Buckeye necklace. I will be rooting on the Buckeyes, since they have more to play for, and I don't expect the Boilers to even have a chance. This will be Joe Tiller's last game in the Horseshoe, and Buckeye fans should give him some respect because he completely changed the Big Ten from the smash-mouth, run up the middle game to the spread em out, basketball on grass philosophy.
GO BUCKS AND BOILER UP.
 
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NIce analysis. Thanks for spending the time giving your input. However, I'm really running out of faith that our d-line can manhandle any Big 10 o-line. The Bucks have shown little to no ability to pressure the QB without sending more than 4. And what frustrates me more, is they don't appear to have any moves other than a straight bull rush. Any d-line "experts" out there have any insight into this? Why is there an apparent lack of stunting? Hopefully, the Bucks commit more to blitzing (which it seemed they did in Wisky) and get pressure in creative ways.

But, I can't see Purdue hanging with the Bucks for long. TP and Wells will just get better and stronger and more comfortable with the offense. It's hard to imagine then getting shut down, and maybe we can figure out some plays that work in the red zone.... ugh.... Seems like the closer we get to a TD, the more creative our offense gets. In my opinion, it should be opposite. Bang Beanie for four plays dammit!!!
 
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I couldn't do a better synopsis than kitchel, so I won't really try. But I do have a few thoughts to convey. Basically, I don't feel this game will be close. Our defense is just bad, although I was pretty happy their performance holding PSU to 20 pts. If our kicker doesn't miss 2 field goals, an extra point, and PSU doesn't score a TD on "5th" down...that could be a very different game. Tiller seems to be coaching like he is ready to go fishing already. Typical 3rd and 4th quarter conservativeness when we have the lead at half (see Oregon), which has cost us games and will continue to. I figured this being his last year and with one RB out(Taylor) and only one "big play threat" WR in Orton, that he would open up the playbook a little more. Not really. As far as Painter goes, I would bench the kid in favor of Joey Elliott. Time to start looking at the future. Painter is a 5th year senior (3 year starter) and hasn't really shown any improvement over last year. In fact he looks worse than last year. Missing open receivers, he often throws the ball over their heads or into the grass by their ankles. He has had problems lately with "tunnel vision" staring down the receiver he wants to go to, then either panics when he isn't open and doesn't know what to do, or throws it anyway for a pick or incompletion. Some QB's have "it" and some don't. He doesn't. It makes me sick whenever they say "he high on Kiper's list" (hopefully not anymore) or show the graphic on ESPN or ABC with Purdue's cradle of Quarterbacks: Greise, Danielson, Brees, Orton, etc and include Painter. Looks as if he may break some of Brees passing records, which is a damn shame. Just because he has started for 3 years and piled up the yards and TD's against weak opponents and struggle against good ones. As you can see I'm already starting to think about next year. Or better yet, basketball season!

OSU 38,
Purdue 10
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1282852; said:
So he should go ahead and ignore what he's being taught because he's still a true freshman?
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According to Todd Blackledge, the coaching staff told him(paraphrase) "they'd like Terrelle to make decesions at 80% rather than being 100% sure". I think they'd like Terrelle to trust his instincts a little more and make quicker decesions. When they review the tape with him, there will be plenty of opportunity to show plays where Terrelle had an opportunity to make big plays but held on too long waiting for receivers to break open.

I'm guessing he's not going to have that kind of time most weeks. So he's going to be pressed to make a decision sooner. Count me as one person hoping that his decision is to throw it to Posey for 6!
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I do think Terrelle, will more than likely, always have a lot more time in the pocket than a guy like Boeckman. You can't always pin your ears back b/c you open to many running lanes for a mobile QB. It creates a very controlled pass rush, and a very hesitant defense focused on not over pursuing and collapsing there side of the field. It's been great watching Terrelle on many plays, seemingly have all day to throw the ball.
 
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Kitchel30134;1283370; said:
1. Curtis Painter will start against the Bucks. Back-up QB Joey Elliott came in on the final Purdue drive against #6 Penn State and led a 75 yard TD drive. For some reason, Tiller still wants to stick with Curtis. . . Also for those who love watching quarterbacks who stare at one receiver the entire play, Painter is a great example of what happens when a QB has tunnel vision.
3. Kory Sheets is a very underrated back, but is only successful if his O-Line can make holes up the middle on the lead draw plays from shotgun. Refer to point #2 on that case.
4. Greg Orton is a big play receiver for the Boilers, but Painter tends to never look his way...EVER.

Defensive Recap - Pryor and Beanie are going to be a 2-man wrecking crew and could both have over 100 yards rushing. I wouldn't be too surprised if Beanie goes over 200 in this one. Tressel could basically have this offense score at will in this one.
Special Teams
- Boilers are strong in the return game, with Desmond Tardy (6) but Penn State completely took that aspect of the game away by punting and kicking away from him. OSU will probably do the same.
- Kicker Chris Summers (13) has gone 1-4 in his last 3 games kicking and even shanked an extra point against the Nittany Lions. He has been replaced by freshman Carson Wiggs (37) as the Boilers place kicker. Summers will take over the punting duties.
Basically, the my Buckeyes shouldn't have any problems with my Boilermakers. Although historically, Ohio State has had a tough time playing against Purdue at home, but this isn't Drew Brees or Kyle Orton playing on offense. GO BUCKS AND BOILER UP.
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Thanks for an extensive breakdown. I saw the Oregon game and thought that the Boilers were going to work an upset. They played better IMHO than what you gave them credit.
Even the loss vs. PSU was an impressive performance holding that high powered HD offensive scheme to just 20 points.
Sheets and Orton are two big weapons that if used properly have potential to move the chains. It just seems like they are not too far away from a game plan that will be successful and pull a surprise when things begin to click.
So if Tiller does make some of the adjustments you suggest, how much improvement are we talking here?
 
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This is the last game on the schedule that I am 100% sure we will win. I'm not saying we will lose the rest, or even lose any of the rest. My best, and unbiased, guess is that we will lose one more game this season and finish 10-2. But...which game...i'm not sure. But I AM SURE it won't be this one. Purdue is in trouble. Their offense is hurt up front, and just not productive at all. Minnesota is a better football team than Purdue right now. So look for it to not be any closer than the Minnesota game was. The rest of our schedule after this game though...brutal. 3 tough road games...2 ranked opponents and then Illinois who has a great offense. The 2 home games. Obviously the one vs. Penn State...and then Michigan, who on paper looks to be the easiest game left after Purdue...but in The Game, big underdogs seem to win sometimes...that game is always tough. I think our easiest game left is at Northwestern...and they haven't lost a game yet. I love it. I love playing tough games.
 
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Yertle;1283396; said:
NIce analysis. Thanks for spending the time giving your input. However, I'm really running out of faith that our d-line can manhandle any Big 10 o-line. The Bucks have shown little to no ability to pressure the QB without sending more than 4. And what frustrates me more, is they don't appear to have any moves other than a straight bull rush. Any d-line "experts" out there have any insight into this? Why is there an apparent lack of stunting? Hopefully, the Bucks commit more to blitzing (which it seemed they did in Wisky) and get pressure in creative ways.

But, I can't see Purdue hanging with the Bucks for long. TP and Wells will just get better and stronger and more comfortable with the offense. It's hard to imagine then getting shut down, and maybe we can figure out some plays that work in the red zone.... ugh.... Seems like the closer we get to a TD, the more creative our offense gets. In my opinion, it should be opposite. Bang Beanie for four plays dammit!!!
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Yes, that is true. I didn't think Gholston had THAT big of an impact on the D-Line, but evidently he did. Heyward is not producing nearly as much as I thought he would, and Rob Rose has been a huge disappointment in my opinion. The front 7 did look better SORT OF. That Badger offensive line is always Top 10 in the country, so seeing Clay and P.J. gash our defense didn't really do much to ruin the D-Line. Gibson has been looking a lot better and proving to be a Gholston or Carpenter type player, where they can drop him back in coverage or put him in a stance and get after the QB.

The Red Zone production has bothered me as well. Doesn't Tressel realize that giving it to Wells up the gut gets 3-4 yards every play? I thought we did better against Wisconsin, and having Pretorius hit his 3 pointers helps out a bunch. I think that TD with a minute left against the Badgers will give us a jump start when we hit the red zone now.

I really see that OSU D-Line getting after Painter and the Boilers all game long, and if they blitz that PUR O-Line, the Purdue will have problems.
I'm still deciding on a prediction, but im not sure yet. I know OSU will win, it just depends on the scoring line...

On Gracelhink's post, Tiller has basically given up this season. It's his last time on the sidelines in West Lafayette and it just seems the play calls he is making for the offense seem awfully pathetic and predictable all the time. Having Painter orchestrate the offense doesn't help his play calling either. The only thing Purdue does have going for them is Kory Sheets, who can break some big runs if he gets the blocking.
 
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