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I'll whip something together in about half an hour and post to compare between systems..

what I had posted is about the breaking point, once you start adding above and beyond that prices explode...

Like I mentioned earlier.. just using the same config and making it 8GB of RAM instead of 6GB puts the price a little over $10k.
 
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LloydSev said:

Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition
Here is the big money buster. Over $3k for the OS, because any of the lower level Win2003 Servers only support a max of 4GB RAM, and some only 2GB.
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Any reason not to go open-source? Apache? FreeBSD? What are we running right now?

I think I will merge all the server-related threads into one official thread where we can really get some ideas laid out.
 
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Windows 2003 Small Business Server - $469.95
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This OS only supports 2GB of RAM.

Any reason not to go open-source? Apache? FreeBSD? What are we running right now?
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Support costs. If anything were to happen down the line, it is much easier to support a Windows system than a Linux system.

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</td> <td width="100%">Intel® Xeon™ processor, 2.8GHz, 1MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, Windows 2003 Server, Web Edition</td> <td align="right" nowrap="nowrap"> Unit Price </td> <td> </td> <td align="right" nowrap="nowrap"> $7,240.00 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>
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</td> </tr><tr bgcolor="#9a9a9a"> <td colspan="1"> Module </td> <td colspan="1"> Description </td> <td colspan="1"> Product Code </td> <td colspan="1"> Sku </td> <td colspan="1"> Id </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e7e7e7"> <td class="bold_regular_text">PowerEdge SC1425</td><td class="list_cartitems">Intel® Xeon™ processor, 2.8GHz, 1MB Cache, 800MHz FSB</td><td class="list_cartitems">14528S</td><td class="list_cartitems">[221-6647]</td><td class="list_cartitems">1</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td class="bold_regular_text">Operating System</td><td class="list_cartitems">Windows 2003 Server, Web Edition</td><td class="list_cartitems">W2K3WEB</td><td class="list_cartitems">[420-4050]</td><td class="list_cartitems">11</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e7e7e7"> <td class="bold_regular_text">Additional Processor</td><td class="list_cartitems">Free 2nd processor to 2nd Intel® Xeon™ processor,2.8GHz,1 MB,800M</td><td class="list_cartitems">FR2P28</td><td class="list_cartitems">[463-6599]</td><td 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This is a RAID-1 system. I configured a RAID 1/RAID 1 system which came up to 14k as well.
 
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CleveBucks said:
I think it'd help if Clarity could give us an accurate estimate of how much we really have to budget for this. Then we could drill down exactly what we need and how to make it fit in the budget.
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Last time I spoke with Clarity we had just at or a little above 1,000.00 so far. BFS and I are planning to have 1,000.00 in profits from the shirt sales. So that's where the site is right now (may be a little more than that).
 
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For a rack mount system, with the specs that Clarity wants (ie able to run a couple years from now still), then $7k is about as low as I've found so far. But I'll continue looking, and I may be able to get a discount on the system as well from Dell.
 
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Not get off topic, just noticed the new logo, that's pretty cool lookin.


Anyway, ok I see why you'd need to use windows then. Does take your specs alot higher needing to run windows.

Dell can lick my ass, never seen more problems with machines than with them. No wonder they have great support considering they break all the time. Like Tommy Boy once said, if ya want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I can do that :)
 
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I know it probably isn't an option, but I have a copy of Windows 2000 Advanced Server that is licenced to my old school. I guess it runs up to 8 GB of RAM. I'm sure you wouldn't be allowed to use it on the website, but I just thought I would mention it.
 
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Which 2003 Server Editions Support More than 2GB RAM?

Which 2003 Server Editions Support More than 2GB RAM? Seems MS has outdone itself with flavors of Windows Server 2K3.

According to this brief from Microsoft the Web edition cited in the7K+ dollar configuration is itself constrained to 2GB RAM.

Only the Enterprise & DataCenter editions specifically allow 8GB RAM, Datacenter being blessed with the ability to address 64GB without squawking.

As for Unix & Support, shame that's not an option it could carve a lot of cost out of your box, cost that could then get applied to hardware.
 
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Well it's all about support... no one will be supporting this box except the company it's bought from and Clarity.. you have to remember that.

And yes.. certain Windows 2k3 Server editions support different amounts of RAM..

specifically Standard Edition supports 2GB, Small Business 4GB, Web 8GB and Enterprise and Datacenter above 8GB.
 
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We're on FreeBSD now. Some flavor of Unix is a must, and I am partial to what we're using now. So OS is a non-issue, we want no part of any flavor of windows. Slap FreeBSD on a box, install mySQL and php, and I'm more or less able to get done what I need to make the site live and breathe.

As far as me offering a budget, I don't have that luxury. We'll spec out and target a machine somewhere with a certain load-out, make that our goal, and work towards that. That's a different path than I've ever gone before, but BP is no business. :)

The goal is not to spend as much money as possible. The site *will* have future expenses, and being slightly ahead would be a good thing. The goal *is* to have a powerful and reliable machine. Not surprisingly, there seem to be a wide range of opinions on what's appropriate, what's not, etc. Same issue I faced before, just on a smaller scale. Quite a few people here deal with IS/IT issues professionally. So the question is, what do you want BP running on?
 
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