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OFFICIAL: Biblical/Theology Discussion thread

I believe, God, does in fact hear our prayers. I think it appropriate, to publicly give thanks to God for prayers both heard, and answered. It has to do with with magnifying His name among believers. One of many references along these lines.

Psalm 111
The LORD Praised for His Goodness.

1Praise the LORD!
I (A)will give thanks to the LORD with all my heart,
In the (B)company of the upright and in the assembly.
2(C)Great are the works of the LORD;
They are (D)studied by all who delight in them.
3(E)Splendid and majestic is His work,
And (F)His righteousness endures forever.
4He has made His wonders to be remembered;
The LORD is (G)gracious and compassionate.
 
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stowfan;1226041; said:
... I think it appropriate, to publicly give thanks to God for prayers both heard, and answered. It has to do with with magnifying His name among believers...
Psalm 111

1Praise the LORD!
I (A)will give thanks to the LORD with all my heart,
In the (B)company of the upright and in the assembly.
The Psalmist here advised prayer among other believers, in an appropriate setting. But Jesus had this to say about truly public prayer, per the New American Standard Bible: "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."

He also advised that those who give to the poor or do other good works should do so without caring whether others on earth are aware of those works; God knows what we do, and why.
 
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The Bible is an interesting read, much like Lord of the Flies and The Catcher in the Rye. Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly in light of the numerous contradictions, factual inaccuracies, and translations over the years.

I think most people want to believe something better awaits us when we leave this life, but come on...the Bible... the Koran...deep down, you know better. Don't you?
 
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Jake;1226969; said:
The Bible is an interesting read, much like Lord of the Flies and The Catcher in the Rye. Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly in light of the numerous contradictions, factual inaccuracies, and translations over the years.

I think most people want to believe something better awaits us when we leave this life, but come on...the Bible... the Koran...deep down, you know better. Don't you?

Thousands of scholars in three of the major religions disagree.

Are you saying that in your opinion that if it is not "factual" in every way than it has nothing to offer? I mean, do you think Word of God Inerrant or Not Worth the Time to Read if not True are the only two choices?
 
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Gatorubet;1226975; said:
Thousands of scholars in three of the major religions disagree.

"Thousands of scholars in three of the major religions", eh? Please enlighten me with the factual evidence gathered by these "thousands of scholars", and which religion has been substantiated by them.
 
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Jake;1226983; said:
"Thousands of scholars in three of the major religions", eh? Please enlighten me with the factual evidence gathered by these "thousands of scholars", and which religion has been substantiated by them.

You aren't here to discuss anything. You obviously didn't bother to give my post a second's thought, and you have all the answers.

So why bother? I'll go back to watching Lesnar and Herring.

BTW, I was referring to this: The Bible is an interesting read, much like Lord of the Flies and The Catcher in the Rye. Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly...
 
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Gatorubet;1226993; said:
You aren't here to discuss anything. You obviously didn't bother to give my post a second's thought, and you have all the answers.

So why bother? I'll go back to watching Lesnar and Herring.

BTW, I was referring to this: The Bible is an interesting read, much like Lord of the Flies and The Catcher in the Rye. Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly...

You asserted that "thousands of scholars disagree" with my opinion of the Bible. All I did was ask you to cite some of those scholars, and present their evidence. Instead of backing up your post you chose to mock me. Your response, or lack of one, speaks volumes.

If "thousands of scholars disagree" with me it shouldn't be too tough for you to present their evidence. Let's see it.
 
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Jake;1226999; said:
You asserted that "thousands of scholars disagree" with my opinion of the Bible.

Correct.

All I did was ask you to cite some of those scholars, and present their evidence. Instead of backing up your post you chose to criticize me. Your response, or lack of one, speaks volumes.

For you to relegate the most famous book in the world, a book of incredible nuance and substance, a book that admittedly can be read on many levels, as ancient history, philosophy, a moral guide, the written essence of the thought and beliefs of the Jewish People, and to some, as the literal word of God to mankind, to so offhandedly dismiss so profound a document, one that for thousands of years has held millions of readers around the world transfixed, and been the sole topic of study for entire lifetimes of some the greatest scholars of history, for you to blithely toss out that it is "silly" to treat that document as more than just another novel of fiction reveals an ignorance of the piece of literature so profound that it is not within my ability to illuminate your error in a way that you'd comprehend.

I'm sorry if you feel criticized. But you should have assumed that possibility when you intentionally threw out your post in the tone that you selected.

If "thousands of scholars disagree" with me it shouldn't be too tough for you to present their evidence. Let's see it.

Sure. There are libraries full of material by scholars, Jewish and Christan and Muslim, who by the body of their work refute your contention that "Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly...", seeing as there aren't a concomitant number of scholars and libraries from the greatest universities in the world addressing the nuances of LOTF - or any other novel in history - with as great a fervor.

So while it may be that the greatest institutions and scholars of the world are all wrong, and they are silly in pursuing their studies - or - perhaps, Jake's dramatic insight that there are reasons to think that portions of the Bible do not make complete sense in a literal manner is not the end of the usefulness of the Book.

Because your original posting clearly insinuated that one had to be some sort of dim sap to think the Bible worthy of special study, you did not show up wanting a discussion, and you can hardly complain when your goal is achieved. And that utter lack of respect you display is no doubt reflected in my response (as was your purpose), I can only beg your pardon and hope that you come back with something else in mind next time. Being the Ekeen of the Philosophical Musings Board is not what I'd aspire to, but, hey it's your choice.

And anyway, if you can't understand from the totality of my first post where I was trying to go, it's unlikely that you'd get the offerings of St. Thomas Aquinas and Moses Maimonides. Silly men, don't cha know.
 
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Jake;1226969; said:
The Bible is an interesting read, much like Lord of the Flies and The Catcher in the Rye. Treating it as anything more serious than that, however, seems kinda silly in light of the numerous contradictions, factual inaccuracies, and translations over the years.

I think most people want to believe something better awaits us when we leave this life, but come on...the Bible... the Koran...deep down, you know better. Don't you?

You pointed out factual inaccuracies. In 1964, science first came up with the Big Bang theory for debate. Until that time, science was in complete agreement that the universe is eternal. The longer science goes on, the more accurate science finds the bible to be.
 
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stowfan;1227416; said:
The longer science goes on, the more accurate science finds the bible to be.

I honestly think it has been the opposite. Apologists of either side of the debate will always find reason to believe in the face of factual denunciation. I'm of the seldom opinion to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but to look critically at any piece of literature, including religious doctrine.

There are portions of biblical text that fell within the canon that describe simple scientific misunderstandings, such as bats being described as birds, and other simple things that I wouldn't want to use to discredit the author, but to merely date the understanding of our world. Myth being used as analog to morality is perfectly acceptable, and is used by just about all cultures regardless of religious indoctrination. The themes that I find offense with are the ethnic separation, patriarchy, and violent themes that are common in the bible. Bottom line is that we can learn some life lessons from the Bible, but I think it is a poor moral compass as a whole.
 
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stowfan;1227760; said:
If you ever find yourself in a library with 15 minutes to spare, read the first 30 pages of this book. The author is a PHD at MIT. The book give you the latest
on what science now believes.

Amazon Online Reader : The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom!

Interesting. I read the first page, and the reference to Nietzsche is way off base. His basis for the quote "God is Dead" (which originated from Hegel, actually), is a metaphor, not to be taken in the literal sense in which this book seems to lead from. The basis for theothanatology perhaps, but Nietzsche himself was more interesting in the idea of man outgrowing the fearful concept and "rise above" to put it simply.

I think that traces back to the "need" for God for some to make sense of the world, or angst associated with not having that boundary in place. At the point of which you have no scientific explanation for a phenomena, the jump to psuedoscientific considerations is easy. That is the gap that is the basis for my disagreement in regard to how science works with the Bible. The more we learn, the more we find that the authors of the text were representing ideas at that point in history.

I really don't care that the author has a piece of paper that says his opinions are more justified. If he has good ideas, I'll add them to my own. Science can be just as dogmatic as religion, and our present culture is indicative of that. There has been deep research into making the Bible scientifically viable, as well as the other end of that equation. The thing is in our present culture, there is so much information available for scientific inquiry and biblical study, that any position can be relegated as dogmatic. This could be in the diversity and specialty of scientific disciplines or merely the plethora of schisms that exist in modern Christian belief. This is all based on interpretation of data and subjectivity therein.

Not meant in a pejorative sense, I see much of theology as a precursor to the more in-depth philosophical systems. The tendency to elevate all non-understanding to omniscient influence is vacuous and a childlike mannerism. While I don't refuse Occam's razor, simplicity is not always accurate, but often grasped when no other explanation is available. That, until a genius shows up (Einstein, Newton, Darwin), that shows us all how to approach age-old problems differently.

The strongest oppositional thought that crosses my mind is when the intelligent community of Theology comes up with very elaborate and deeply thought out scientific explanations of Biblical stories and myth. This in my mind bolsters the argument of the scientific perspective due to the negation of miraculous, divine intervention. In other words, if you are trying to explain events that would be considered miraculous otherwise scientifically, you are relegating the idea of divine intervention altogether.
 
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BuckeyeGanoosh;1227705; said:
There are portions of biblical text that fell within the canon that describe simple scientific misunderstandings, such as bats being described as birds.

The Bible in the original Hebrew does not state that bats are birds. It says that it is a flying creature. It was the KJV English translators, based upon their understanding of taxonomy in the early 17th century, that translated it as birds.
 
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