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Just learned today that the leader of the human genome project is a born again Christian, but was an agnostic till after one of his patients gave him witness. Anyway does anyone find this interesting? Bothersome?
Just learned today that the leader of the human genome project is a born again Christian, but was an agnostic till after one of his patients gave him witness. Anyway does anyone find this interesting? Bothersome?
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(I pulled this post over from the other thread in order to move these conversations over here.)
Anyway, call me skeptical, but I see no reason to not accept the translation of the rabbis who worked on the Septuagint. After all, why would I trust an anthropologist who is separated from the language, culture, and rituals of the Jews of that time by over 2000 years of history, rather than trust the Jewish scholars who would have had immediate, experiential knowledge of the language and rituals?
In addition, where are you getting the idea that Jesus was anointed by oils during his baptism? John baptized by water, there is no mention of the use of oils in the accounts given by the Gospel writers.
Finally, even if cannabis was one the elements in the anointment oils for the ancient kings of Israel, why even care? It's not like they were smoking the stuff for hallucinogenic purposes. In fact the New Testament is pretty clear that such actions are related to paganism and sorcery.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
The word Christ - means the annoited One. I forget where i read this, and will look into it.. they claimed that he was annoited with the Holy Oil used for the jewish kings before having it washed away with water in the jordan. May be true, may not be true.. this isn't the part that intrigues me. When Christ looked up into the heavens and the sky tore apart and the spirit decended like a dove.. was it a trip?buckeyegrad;740590; said:
No they weren't smoking it. But if incense and smoke was their prayers raising to the heavens, and insense offerings were supposed to be enjoyable to those offering it.. cannabis could easily have been an incent used and got them 'high' in the process. I find it interesting that the first plant on King Sauls grave, that grew w/o anything.. was cannabis.
Its possible that the concept of God came from cannabis. Early man is crusing around, looking for seeds and oils, eats this plant and is 'high' and connects to a diffrent realm before coming back down. Equally as likely, this may not be the case.
The plant itself can cure alot of the worlds problems today and would have prevented these problems from ever happening.. it helped build this country, and is outlawed for what reason? Because the african-american culture was doing it for pleasure in the earlier half of the 20th century. Shit, Thomas Jefferson smoked pot, as he wrote in his gardening book. There used to be laws forcing people to plant hemp seeds, it helped build the country.. not for the purpose of getting stoned.. although that was an extra benefit of growing it i'm sure.
Healthier than tobacco & alcohol
As with anything, moderation.. but those who have smoked.. interesting it's a 'loving' and 'peacful' experience. The one account in Islam before it was outlawed involved them being 'full of spirit' at consumption. Im no stoner.. and i dont claim this as my 'religion' but its interesting how the winners get to write history.
This plant would stop dependecy on the ME for oil, save whats left of the trees, make the soil richer than it was pre-planted, save depleated soil, and end starvation to name a few. The question is, coincidence or is this plant a special gift from the heavens.. dunno, its a tough game to play because stoners aren't the most reliable source haha
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Bleed S & G
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Bleed S & G;741930; said:
These parts are facts as far as i know LV.. others may be able to dispute them but like i said, as far as i can see, this much is true.
By the way, George Washington smoked pot too (at least it looks to be this way, quite contrary to what i was taught.. but then again so were alot of things.. winners write history), there are alot of questions regaurding the baptism of Christ and what exactly took place and what the prohecies called for, the 'messiah' would have no claim to be such unless he was annoited with chrism. If the cotton gin wasn't developed.. would marijuana have been our biggest crop? Was slavery prevelant pre-cotton? for real im asking.. idk?
Marijuana roots could have the cures to many diseases too besides being used in medicine as just a intoxicant.. i believe they have yet to be studied due to international treaties.
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Bleed S & G;741930; said:
No need to look into it, it is true. Christ comes from the Greek word Christos; which is a translation of the Hebrew word Mashiac (where we derive the word Messiah). Each of these words mean Annointed One.
Who claims this? There is zero indication from the Gospels that Jesus was annointed by oils before his baptism by water. To suggest otherwise is mere fabrication. Of course there were other times Jesus was annointed by oils/perfumes by women, but those time are not related to his baptism.
Do you actually believe this crap? I am seriously asking this because you claim to be a Christian (at least I think you do--please correct if wrong), and although I hate questioning someone elses standing with Christ, I will stand up against heresey and lies added to the Word of God. Needless to say, none of what is stated here can be supported by Scripture and reeks of someone trying to corrupt writings which are "God breathed" into a new religion--reminds me a lot of the gnostics of the first couple of centuries.
As I stated, anything related to being "high" as the the result of a drug-induced experience is considered sorcery and living in the flesh according to the writings of Paul and John.
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood?idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts. (Revelation 9:20-21)
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. (Galatians 5:19-21a)
In the original Greek, the two highlighted words in these passages is pharmakeia. It should look familiar to everyone as it is where we derive the word pharmacy and it means the use or administration of drugs. Hence it seem pretty clear that using any type of drug, whether it be cannibus or something else, to achieve a "spiritual" experience is considered a sinful act against God.
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GoBucks89
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Speaking of Hindu fundamentalists, here's a story about some of their activities against Christian missionaries representing Gospel For Asia.stxbuck;736903; said:
Four women serving as Gospel for Asia missionaries in Haryana, India, were severely beaten in their home on Sunday. Two GFA pastors were also injured in the attack, which was carried out by radical Hindu groups.
"Hindu religious fundamentalists have been making every possible attempt to stop all Christian work in this state for some time," said K.P. Yohannan, founder and president of Gospel for Asia. "These fundamentalists routinely target Christians, and now they are even attacking women."
Public attacks on women in India are rare, and this incident has stirred the concern of GFA leaders. Continued...
"Hindu religious fundamentalists have been making every possible attempt to stop all Christian work in this state for some time," said K.P. Yohannan, founder and president of Gospel for Asia. "These fundamentalists routinely target Christians, and now they are even attacking women."
Public attacks on women in India are rare, and this incident has stirred the concern of GFA leaders. Continued...
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
Do i believe the crap you quoted me on.. no, i dont. i dont think Christ tripped. I do think marijuana could have easily been an incent. Marijuana was the first plant to grow on King Sauls grave as far as I know too, you may be able to correct me but as far as I know it was.buckeyegrad;743030; said:
I think that marijuana is a special plant.. i do. the things it can do, outside of fucking people up, is incredible.. perhaps this plant could help usher in peace.. perhaps it's the tree of life, perhaps its the sage plant that allowed us to connect to God in the first place, perhaps its manna, and perhaps its the tree of knowledge.. perhaps a 100 diffrent things.. including perhaps its just a plant.
the Holy Annoting Oil, the ingredients coming straight from God Himself to Moses.. contained marijuana, which is outlawed today for what reason exactly?
Luke 3:16: I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose; he shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire.
^This to me means that God baptised Christ, not an earthly oil or water. But why would Christ need to be baptised with the Spirit.. considering he is the Spirit?
There are other metions of the Fire Baptism and these are some of things Gnostics said we're revealed to them by Christ after His death, which Christ said he would do. The story line, as far as i can see, is when you're ready to have a better understanding of whats being taught, you can advance to more teachings.. thats why the Bible is composed the way it is and why Christ taught in parables, so we can understand.
Todays times, are a time of revelation.. and this is one of those things I believe.
Christ drank wine, no?
It is definatly not clear that using cannabis for spirtual reasons is a sinful act. God mandated cannabis be used in one of the most spirtual ways.
Not trying to add lies to the word of God.. just discussing possibilities.
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