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Official 2006 NCAA Tournament Discussion Thread

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bucknuts44820 said:
What does getting the #1 seed do for tOSU? Nothing in my opinion that a #2 seed will not give them. Does it look good, of course but is their an advantage in the tourney between the two seeds? Not in my opinion.

With that said and for agruements sake, if they win the tourney then they should be a #1 seed. Best team in the strongest conference according to the RPI.
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Well in a way it will depend on who you will play, but all teams in the tourney are usually pretty even, so it doesnt really matter.
 
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I just don't agree with the thinking that the best team in the best conference should get a #1 seed. Who says they are the best team? Who says it's the best conference?

Was Penn State better than Ohio State in football? maybe on one night, but I don't believe they were a better team.

Every time you guys say "best team in the best conference" it sounds like you're trying to make yourselves believe it.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I just don't agree with the thinking that the best team in the best conference should get a #1 seed. Who says they are the best team? Who says it's the best conference?

Was Penn State better than Ohio State in football? maybe on one night, but I don't believe they were a better team.

Every time you guys say "best team in the best conference" it sounds like you're trying to make yourselves believe it.
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We are the best team in the conference(if we win both the regular season(done) and coference tourney) that the RPI has either one or two. it is 1A or 1B however you want to look at it.

This whole discussion is based on us winning the Big Ten tourney, if not it is a moot point and we end up a 2 seed.
 
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yeah, but just because you are the "best team" in the "best conference" doesn't mean that's a 1 seed. conferences are ranked based on depth. so to be the "best conference" you could have a bunch of pretty good but not great teams. there could be another conference with one amazing team and a bunch of teams that suck (basketball's version of football's pac-10). if it were up for grabs, should the team who is better than a bunch of good teams get the 1 seed, or should the team that is amazing?

secondly, the people saying the big ten is the best conference aren't the people picking the seeds. they have their own criteria to go by. being the "best team" in the "best conference" is a part of the criteria.....but it shouldn't be an auto 1 seed like some people make it seem.
 
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tibor75 said:
Not sure if it's the same thing you are referring to, but on a rawfeed Dickie V was caught saying that Lawrence Funderburke was a "cheap shot motherfucker." I never heard it, so I can' confirm if it really happened or not.
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Actually, it happened more than once.

Funderburke was recruited heavily by Kentucky (maybe too heavily), which along with allegations about the recruitment of Chris Mills, Shawn Kemp, and others, got UK into a ton of hot water with the NCAA. Funderburke bailed on UK once the NCAA got involved and committed to Knight and IU.

Knight and Funderburke, needless to say, is a match made in hell. Funderburke decided he'd made a mistake and asked to be released from IU. Knight was livid and refused. Funderburke then quit and started making appearances in the bleachers at UK home games. The UK AD eventually had to announce that they would bar newly hired Rick Pitino from speaking to Funderburke (technically still an IU player), and ban Funderburke from the UK campus so that UK wouldn't get into further trouble. Funderburke, still enrolled at IU, being shown on national TV at UK games didn't do much to smooth his soured relationship with Bob Knight.

Knight held Funderburkes LOI over his head through all of 1990 manipulating him so that he could not attend schools that Knight didn't want him to play for, such as Kansas, Louisville and others, Kentucky especially. After about two years of legal wrangling, a transfer to a junior college, another transfer back to IU, Funderburke finally got out of IU and landed at OSU, which really set off Knight, since he'd now have to see him on the court twice a year.

As for Vitale, before Krzyzewski-ville, Dickie V's home address was Assembly Hall. Vitale was so far up The General's ass he couldn't even see Coach K. Vitale, of course, loves winning basketball, so he was pretty high on both Indiana AND Kentucky at that time -- both places where Funderburke was public enemy #1. Vitale ripped into Funderburke in several broadcasts, especially during one IU/OSU game in '92. Vitale usually accused him of being immature on the air, and less savory things off the air. Of course, what would Dickie V know? Everything he'd ever known about Funderburke came from Knight, who had now gone out of his way to (at this point) smear Funderburke's reputation for over three years.

There was a lot of he said/she said crap through all of this. Thank goodness ESPN wasn't as influential in 1992 as they were in 2002! One thing's for certain though, whatever Dickie V's opinions on the matter, he used his public forum as a broadcaster inappropriately to attack a college kid that he simply didn't like. During the IU/OSU game he made a number of egregious comments about Funderburke, culminating in his "are we rolling? we're not rolling?" profanity laced tirade that would have made Quentin Tarantino proud.
 
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Today's bracketology is out....

OSU still a 2 seed, still in Memphis' bracket, still in Oakland. (settle down, they're in Dayton for 2 rounds first, honestly). Elite 8 trip: Norhtern Arizona, NC State/Cinci, Oklahoma/Bradley/UCLA/Penn. friggin Bradley replaces the 'cuse :shake:.

I think that's pretty tough to have to play either NCState or Cinci in the second round. Cinci is an on/off team....but getting them in Dayton hardly seems fair for the #1 2 seed.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
yeah, but just because you are the "best team" in the "best conference" doesn't mean that's a 1 seed. conferences are ranked based on depth. so to be the "best conference" you could have a bunch of pretty good but not great teams. there could be another conference with one amazing team and a bunch of teams that suck (basketball's version of football's pac-10). if it were up for grabs, should the team who is better than a bunch of good teams get the 1 seed, or should the team that is amazing?

secondly, the people saying the big ten is the best conference aren't the people picking the seeds. they have their own criteria to go by. being the "best team" in the "best conference" is a part of the criteria.....but it shouldn't be an auto 1 seed like some people make it seem.
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I wasnt agreeing with the whole we should get a one seed b/c we are best team best conference thing, b/c that shouldnt be how it works, I was just contending your statement about why people keep saying "best team best conference".
 
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Vitale & Funderburke

Thanks Dryden and Tibor: Yep, that's the one I was referring to. On an open mike Vitale ripped Funderburke big time.

But wow. Didn't know all the ins and outs of Funderburke getting out of his schollie at IU and coming to play with Jimmy Jackson at Ohio State. That's impressive work, as I'm sure that was never publicized (surely not by UK!).

Nonetheless, a #2 seed has to play a #3 seed for the right to meet the #1 and #4 seed in the other bracket (assuming all goes well). Plus of the extra travel, and the West Coast simply doesn't have the depth of good teams to fill out the brackets, so the Buckeyes might have to travel.

But watch for the mid teams (5-12). Their records and strength will show who the guys making up the field favor. It always seems like the Dukies have maybe one or two tough games to make the elite 8, whereas some of the teams have to slug it out with all 3 games to get to the elite 8.

No facts here, just what I believe I've seen on "the Road to the Final Four"

Here's hoping both the men Bucks and the lady Bucks go far into their tournaments. That would be sweet, especially for the mens team, that was picked so low.

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After another pathetic showing by Gonzaga last night against a 12-18 team, I better not hear another college basketball analyst say that they deserve a #1 seed. Mark my words: they'll lose in the second round of the tournament again this year.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Who says it's the best conference?
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Let's see. Analysts are predicting that 7 Big Ten teams will make the tournament this year. Therefore, the Big Ten has almost 80% of its teams making the tournament. Can you name any other conference that can make such a statement? Neither can I. Accordingly, to the extent that I consider making the tournament to be a pretty good proxy for how strong a team is, I think the Big Ten is the strongest conference this year.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
Let's see. Analysts are predicting that 7 Big Ten teams will make the tournament this year. Therefore, the Big Ten has almost 80% of its teams making the tournament. Can you name any other conference that can make such a statement? Neither can I. Accordingly, to the extent that I consider making the tournament to be a pretty good proxy for how strong a team is, I think the Big Ten is the strongest conference this year.
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7/11 = 63.6363% :p

If the Big East gets 9 (including Syracuse for you, BN27:) ):
9/16 = 56.25%
That's not too far off.
 
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what pancake bunny said. Furthermore.....that argument is skewed towards the big ten because it doesn't have as many teams as the big east or the acc.


I'm not knocking the Big Ten.....I'm just knocking the argument that a team perceived to be the best in a conference that is perceived to be the best should automatically get a 1 seed. 1 seeds by definition are the 4 best teams. You can be the best team from the best conference (Georgia) in football and that doesn't mean you deserve a bid to play in the NC game. The best teams deserve to be there.

If you want to make a case that Ohio State is one of the best teams by using the #1 in the Big Ten argument that's one thing.....but to say "we won the big ten and it's the best so give me my 1 seed" is flawed logic.
 
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1 seeds by definition are the 4 best teams
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That is true, but how are the 4 best teams identified? I will tell you how, the strength of schedule, RPI and record. Your strength of schedule is greatly effected by the conference you play in and the teams in that conference. This year the Big Ten has the best RPI and has the best record against the other major conferences in the nation. That is why I believe that tOSU should get some consideration for a #1 seed and I think they deserve it more than Memphis, especially if they win the Big Ten tourney.

Polls are bogus. Gonzaga is not the fourth best team in the nation, GW is not even a top 10 team. I put my stock in the SOS, RPI and record of the team. Not media hype.
 
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