LightningRod
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Name a player whose injury from OSU's conditioning program caused him to miss playing time.
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BIATCHabutuka
out of chaos comes playoffs
it is a fine line whether we are pushing it too much to the point of risking injury or not. best to let those with the close up view of that fine line to determine how much is too much.
have faith in the coaches. feel free to call the coaches out on anything you want but be prepared to be called out yourself too.
have faith in the coaches. feel free to call the coaches out on anything you want but be prepared to be called out yourself too.
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FreshPrinceCBus
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Blind Faith
I guess this is another example of the many Bucks forums where constructive criticism is responded to with rhetorical attacks in place of thoughts and ideas which may or may not lead to progress.
Oh well, "Trust Tress and The Troops" is the mantra.
OH-IO!!!
I will miss the Fresh Prince of Columbus.
I guess this is another example of the many Bucks forums where constructive criticism is responded to with rhetorical attacks in place of thoughts and ideas which may or may not lead to progress.
Oh well, "Trust Tress and The Troops" is the mantra.
OH-IO!!!
I will miss the Fresh Prince of Columbus.
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FreshPrinceCBus said:
I think you'll find that even unpopular opinions can be voiced here, but you have to be able to back them up. Other boards are full of one-liners that are stated as simple fact. Stuff like "We WILL lose to Michigan if we don't throw 30 times". While there might be some merit to a statement like that, tossing it out there without explaining the rationale behind the opinion is just going to draw ire from those who disagree.
I think everyone here is a little punchy given what's gone on elsewhere. Let's try to talk instead of bait and flame over here when and as possible.
Just my 2 cents though.
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
Unfortunately this is not an example of another board "where constructive criticism is responded to with rhetorical attacks in place of thoughts and ideas which may or may not lead to progress." There are lots of discussions where posters look at every side of a position. In your situation you showed no constructive criticism, only a comment about how the drills are "pure garbage" and implied they were the cause of our injuries. You never explained how the team's conditioning leads to their injuries. I for one would honestly like to hear how conditioning can increase a player's chances of not getting injured.
If you want to discuss things logically and have some support, great. But if all you want to do is get people fired up with a random shot in the dark, this is not the place.
If you want to discuss things logically and have some support, great. But if all you want to do is get people fired up with a random shot in the dark, this is not the place.
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"Running with 200-300+ pounds for 100 yards is just plain dumb. Lower back and spinal injuries don't tend to just go away with time, they linger. Not to mention the toll on the knees."
Yeah, we wouldn't any exercises preparing them for the physical forces they'll be fending off in an actual ball game (tackling, etc.).
"Wheelbarrow races are an excellent way to inflame and shred the rotator cuff and shoulder capsule."
And so are bench presses, military presses, flys, cable extensions, etc. Maybe they should just give up weight training entirely.
Somehow I think that there is a specific reason for each exercise and that they are not haphazardly conceived.
Yeah, we wouldn't any exercises preparing them for the physical forces they'll be fending off in an actual ball game (tackling, etc.).
"Wheelbarrow races are an excellent way to inflame and shred the rotator cuff and shoulder capsule."
And so are bench presses, military presses, flys, cable extensions, etc. Maybe they should just give up weight training entirely.
Somehow I think that there is a specific reason for each exercise and that they are not haphazardly conceived.
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bucknut11
Defense still wins Championships
if my post was considered a "rhetorical attack," allow me to explain my point of view. sure there's a risk of injury for what these guys are doing, that's what makes it a tough sport. as a college athlete, i do workouts every day, and i accept the fact that i could suffer an injury during any workout. but i don't worry about that. i just know that if i keep working hard, i'm gonna get better. you have to take risks in sports if you want to be great.
with that having been said, i'm certainly not suggesting to just go do anything that's really tough, thinking it'll help. obviously some degree of caution is necessary. i'm fairly certain that the coaching staff at OSU is well aware of this and i'm sure they know that the possible rewards of their training far outweigh the risks.
with that having been said, i'm certainly not suggesting to just go do anything that's really tough, thinking it'll help. obviously some degree of caution is necessary. i'm fairly certain that the coaching staff at OSU is well aware of this and i'm sure they know that the possible rewards of their training far outweigh the risks.
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LightningRod
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Risk of injury from conditioning? The last time I checked, NCAA Div 1 football was a collision sport. Maybe we ought to petition the NCAA and change the rules to flag football or 2 hand tag.
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DiHard
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i do think JT may have a little too much contact in his preseason practices....my two cents....
as for these conditioning drills...they are great....instead of just running and hitting the weight room....these are team building drills.....
i do feel sorry for the player who had to tote s.rehring on his back.....
the ozone said he made it ten yards....
as for these conditioning drills...they are great....instead of just running and hitting the weight room....these are team building drills.....
i do feel sorry for the player who had to tote s.rehring on his back.....
the ozone said he made it ten yards....
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FreshPrinceCBus
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First, Mili: I have never seen a DB carry another DB on his back and sprint 100 yards to make a TD-saving tackle near the goal line. But we do have Ginn coming, so he may bail you out on this one.
Second, Mili: There is a rather large difference between "running" with your shoulders and arms vs. performing weight-training exercises with proper technique.
Third: The only poster that makes any sense is describing these as "team-building" exercises. And yes, they are similar to the ones I remember doing at camp retreats. But is it worth the risk of injuries? Risk vs. Reward.
Fourth: I am not saying that "proper" strength and cond. movements do not prevent injuries; in fact they do prevent them. But improper ones can do a lot of harm.
There are so many team-building, relay-style, physically grueling challenges that can be done. There is no need to carry 300 lbers on a flexed spine for a 100 yards. Or "run" with the shoulders acting as the hip joint. Just common sense here, not rocket science.
I stick to my statement that these ex. are garbage.
Also, did anyone see on the news where these guys were doing bicep curls with therabands (giant rubber bands)? Mili: I cannot to hear your explanation for that one.
First, Mili: I have never seen a DB carry another DB on his back and sprint 100 yards to make a TD-saving tackle near the goal line. But we do have Ginn coming, so he may bail you out on this one.
Second, Mili: There is a rather large difference between "running" with your shoulders and arms vs. performing weight-training exercises with proper technique.
Third: The only poster that makes any sense is describing these as "team-building" exercises. And yes, they are similar to the ones I remember doing at camp retreats. But is it worth the risk of injuries? Risk vs. Reward.
Fourth: I am not saying that "proper" strength and cond. movements do not prevent injuries; in fact they do prevent them. But improper ones can do a lot of harm.
There are so many team-building, relay-style, physically grueling challenges that can be done. There is no need to carry 300 lbers on a flexed spine for a 100 yards. Or "run" with the shoulders acting as the hip joint. Just common sense here, not rocket science.
I stick to my statement that these ex. are garbage.
Also, did anyone see on the news where these guys were doing bicep curls with therabands (giant rubber bands)? Mili: I cannot to hear your explanation for that one.
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LightningRod
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FreshPrince
How much bling bling do you have? As soon as your bling bling tops Tressels, I'll start listening to you.
How much bling bling do you have? As soon as your bling bling tops Tressels, I'll start listening to you.
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DiHard
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i think its important to note that these workouts are only for 12 days.......it is very likely that any repetitive motion type of injury could take place.....there is always the risk for a turned ankle...etc....no different than any other day.....
these are team-building exercises and a chance for the coaches to get the players heads on straight at a key time of the year....that is all.....
these are team-building exercises and a chance for the coaches to get the players heads on straight at a key time of the year....that is all.....
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