Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

[ysubuck]

A) No I don't know why Jones didn't leave but you, an OSU fan, obviously do. I suspect that it's because of something that the evil arrogant Charlie Weis did.

By the way would the fact of him staying when he wanted to leave because Weis is such a bad person show that playing time was the key factor in his decision to leave?

B) OSu's situation in comparison to ND is night & day. Off the top of my head I'd guess that 70% of the players on OSU's roster hail from Ohio. In contrast maybe 5%-10% of ND's hail from Indiana or Illinois.

It's a lot easier to retain kids who are in-state products. When things go bad for them they can rely on family and their local roots. ND has no such anchor because 90% of their players come from hundreds of miles away.

C) Your summation fails to take something critical into account. Players develop at different rates. Carufel and Olsen were sophomores who were in the same class. At the start of the season Dan Wenger was the starting OG, he got hurt then Carufel stepped in. As weeks went by Olsen kept improving and the coaches felt that he had reached a point where he had passed Carufel.

It happens.

D) You mean players like true freshmen Kerry Neal or Brian Smith, or Will Yeatman, or Pat Kuntz, or hell even Kyle McCarthy. Nah, their not developing at all.

E) It's a minor point but Sam Young moved from RT to LT. As anyone knows LT is ten time harder than RT. Maybe, just maybe that's why he's struggling.

ND's struggling this year because the OL play has been beyond bad. There are several causes for this but I'm not going to get into it because OSU are closed to anything other than Charlie Weis sucks. I understand, at ND have our own rabid anti-Tressel element who scream about him constantly. it's part of the territory I guess.

Guys have just been thrown into positions that they weren't ready for but Weis had no alternative since he only had 3 (one 5th yr Sr, and 2 JR's) upperclassmen along the OL in total (that's three classes). More than any other position on the field OL take longer to develop because of the strength, continuity, and experience issues involved in playing as a unit.

We'll be fine next year after another season of weight work and drills and those guys just working together.

You can say it here. ND is struggling because of what Ty left Charlie Weis to work with. Never mind that Charlie won a lot of games with Ty's guys the last two years. Never mind that Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc. constantly plug in freshmen and sophomores to fill holes and still have great success. ND can't do that. I get it.

The "and those guys just working together" quote kills me. Nothing screams TEAM like what NoD and Charlie Weis are putting on the field week after week. Sullivan, your O leader, screaming at Jimmy and making him cry. Guys transferring out weekly. Yep. Real family atmosphere you've got going there.

 

[Steve19]

We'll be fine next year after another season of weight work and drills and those guys just working together.

There's always next year, my precious, next year...

 

[Mike80]

You're just speculating. You shouldn't make claims like this unless you can back them up. Are you an insider in the ND program? From our standpoint, its a depth chart issue. And hey, Lord Charlie had no problem replacing Reuland, he took one of Ohio's elite talents.

What recruits are you talking about? Jimmy? Hes been playing behind a terrible offensive line, as well with a gigantic asshole in Sully. Hes a true freshman in a very poor situation. Give him time. Kumara's going to be good too, he just needs more time.

You're completely ignoring the fact that in one of the worst years of the programs existence, hes recruited (thus far) the #1 class in the country.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Sheesh, that looks like me after one of our ocean swim training sessions...

 

[OregonBuckeye]

There's always next year, my precious, next year...

Lou Holtz off his meds?

 

[Steve19]

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[muffler dragon]

There are several causes for this but I'm not going to get into it because OSU are closed to anything other than Charlie Weis sucks. I understand, at ND have our own rabid anti-Tressel element who scream about him constantly. it's part of the territory I guess.

Talk about a wretched attempt at comparison.

Tressel gets razzed, because of his SUCCESS. Weis gets razzed, because his teams and his coaching ability SUCKS.

It's a difference of only three letters (success v. sucks), but there's a mountain of difference in the underlying meaning.

 

[methomps]

When did I say the past classes were "monster" classes or losing those players was expendable? You're making things up.

Given your Brady Quinn propaganda campaign, I would be surprised to find you to be the first Domer I have ever run across who regarded Charlie's 06 recruiting class as anything but a monster class.

As far as 'expendable,' you're right. You merely said:

I would hardly call that class a miserable failure since the departed players were:

4th string QB.
3rd string QB.
3rd string TE.
3rd string OG.

 

[sandgk]

about methomps ---

You're making stuff up again.

How dare he!

The shame!!

Actually using his words instead of yours!!!

Actually making his own quip about your Quinn worship - will his creative behavior never stop!!!!

It's a crime I tell you, a crime.

As for the expendable stuff what you did say in the Carufel thread, was that it "would hurt depth, that's all. ND will go after Page and Robinson harder now."

Emphasis mine.

So, while you're here - what did you think of that 2006 class?

A - Monstaah

B - Never Mind - So-So

C - I bet we'll lose 4 of our top recruits from this class in less than 2 years.

 

[SNIPER26]

Any predictions on the next ND transfer/decommit and where do you think he's headed? Can we make this a vBet?

 

[Best Buckeye]

Clausen .... USF :tongue2:

 

[Pheasant]

Clausen .... USF :tongue2:

Why would they want him? Maybe Clausen to Nevada or UAB.

 

[bkochmc]

Clausen .... USF :tongue2:

Makes sense... Rumor has it Clausen throws a mean jump ball which is USF's entire passing game (basing from last night's observations). Of course he'd fit right into scUM's passing attack too.

 

[sandgk]

Any predictions on the next ND transfer/decommit and where do you think he's headed? Can we make this a vBet?

Rudy.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I love domer fans like Hobs and rhabuf....

It's excuse making idiots like them that keep ND brass happy with poor choices as head coach. A lot of programs would be PISSED off with Weis' production, especially this year. No signature win, no bowl victory - actually, getting SMOKED in each (and on the heals of a 6 bowl losing streak (or whatever it was before Weis)), player defections... and so on. A LOSS being the high point of his tenure.... But, not Domers.... nope.... Weis is the guy. I say keep on with the excuses, fellas. The rest of the nation loves laughing at your idiot coach, and his miserable team.