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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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zincfinger;907879; said:
Notre Dame fans can say what they like, but this is reality. Notre Dame tends to get placed over their heads in bowls. Regardless of the context in which you choose to look at that (pro-ND; as an excuse for being beaten, or anti-ND; as negating the compliment of having been selected for that bowl in the first place), it's still true.
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I would disagree.

2006 Sugar
2005 Fiesta
2004 Insight
2002 Gator
2000 Fiesta
1998 Gator
1997 Independence
1995 Orange
1994 Fiesta (not BCS at the time)

5 of the 9 Bowl games they have played have not been a BCS or major Bowl at the time and they got drilled in those just the same. They were 10-3 and 9-3 the years they got punked in the Gator Bowls.
 
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It's been well documented that if you are verballed to Notre Dame, Charlie does not allow visits to other schools. What is Notre Dame's position on continuing to recruit those students who have verballed to other schools? Do they continue to pursue or do they let kids honor their decision? Serious question, no agenda, just wondering.
 
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Well, perhaps the best counter-point might be the example of Brian Smith's conversion from Hawkeye to Domer.
Consider this from the chat archive with none other than Tom Lemming on CSTV - dateline January 29th 2007. NLOID approaches.

ricardo (montreal): does notre dame have any chance of getting brian smith or any other lb for the 3-4 defense by signing dayTom Lemming: Iowa did a good job of landing him and Notre Dame should leave him alone. If you complain about other teams stealing your player, you shouldn't go and do it yourself.
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Then later on there is this same piece:

Pat (IL): What is Charlie Weis' policy on verbally committed players?Tom Lemming: I don't intend to speak to or for him but Notre Dame's normally been a team that doesn't go after other people's players and you'd hope that doesn't change now.
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Now I recognize that Lemming the uber ND shill does not actually reflect any policy or practice in South Bend, he simply wishes that he did.

Move forward but one day and Smith had given his word to Weis.

It is worth noting that Smith also began himself looking at other options - beginning with a visit to Kansas State. Still, he remained committed to the Hawkeyes, even through a rumor dispelling visit to Iowa City in December of 2006.

But Weis got him to commit to ND.
 
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zincfinger;907879; said:
Notre Dame fans can say what they like, but this is reality. Notre Dame tends to get placed over their heads in bowls. Regardless of the context in which you choose to look at that (pro-ND; as an excuse for being beaten, or anti-ND; as negating the compliment of having been selected for that bowl in the first place), it's still true.
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As Mr. Katt has said, NoD fans use their BCS berths to say they are one of the elite when really they are only there due to their placement in the media.

Essentially the NoD fans take pride in getting their asses handed to them.
 
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