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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

Notre Dame to play Army in Shamrock Series game at Yankee Stadium​

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The Shamrock Series will return to Yankee Stadium in November, when Notre Dame faces Army in a celebration of the 100th anniversary of the fabled Four Horsemen, it was announced Wednesday.

Notre Dame will play Army on Nov. 23 in a game that will commemorate the Irish backfield of Jim Crowley, Elmer Layden, Don Miller and Harry Stuhldreher. Those players were immortalized by Grantland Rice in the New York Herald Tribune after Notre Dame's 13-7 upset of Army in New York on Oct. 18, 1924.

The legendary Four Horsemen game against Army was held at the Polo Grounds, which was across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium. The Irish have also faced the Black Knights at Ebbets Field in Brooklyn, Shea Stadium in Queens and Giants Stadium in New Jersey.

The Shamrock Series began in 2009, when Notre Dame began to "take a home game on the road" in San Antonio. Since then, Notre Dame has hosted 11 Shamrock Series games across the country (and won them all), including in Landover, Maryland; Chicago; Arlington, Texas; Indianapolis; and Las Vegas.

The Birth of the Four Horsemen​

It was October 18, 1924, and America communicated by Newspaper. Journalism was prized in America and in sports.

Poised and ready in the press box was Grantland Rice, a native of Murfreesboro, Tn who had gone to Montgomery Bell Academy and Vanderbilt.AND vA (Alex Bars’s High school).

Rice was working for New York’s esteemed Herald Tribune. Granny sensed the moment, the magic, and the poetry of Notre Dame football.

His story lead was:

New York Herald Tribune, 18 October 1924

“Outlined against a blue-gray October sky, the Four Horsemen rode again. In dramatic lore they are known as Famine, Pestilence, Destruction and Death.

These are only aliases. Their real names are Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden. They formed the crest of the South Bend cyclone before which another fighting Army football team was swept over the precipice at the Polo Grounds yesterday afternoon as 55,000 spectators peered down on the bewildering panorama spread on the green plain below.

“A cyclone can’t be snared. It may be surrounded, but somewhere it breaks through to keep on going. When the cyclone starts from South Bend, where the candle lights still gleam through the Indiana sycamores, those in the way must take to storm cellars at top speed.

“Yesterday the cyclone struck again as Notre Dame beat the Army, 13 to 7, with a set of backfield stars that ripped and crashed through a strong Army defense with more speed and power than the warring cadets could meet.

“Notre Dame won its ninth game in twelve Army starts through the driving power of one of the greatest backfields that ever churned up the turf of any gridiron in any football age. Brilliant backfields may come and go, but in Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden, covered by a fast and charging line, Notre Dame can take its place in front of the field. Coach McEwan sent one of his finest teams into action, an aggressive organization that fought to the last play around the first rim of darkness, but when Rockne rushed his Four Horsemen to the track they rode down everything in sight.

“ It was in vain that 1,400 gray-clad cadets pleaded for the Army line to hold. The Army line was giving all it had,
but when a tank tears in with the speed of a motorcycle, what chance had flesh and blood to hold? The Army had its share of stars in Garbisch, Farwick, Wilson, Wood, Ellinger, and many others, but they were up against four whirlwind backs who picked up at top speed from the first step as they swept through scant openings to slip on by the secondary defense. The Army had great backs in Wilson and Wood, but the Army had no such quartet, who seemed to carry the mixed blood of the tiger and the antelope.”


It was quite a day for college football, and that very day the Galloping Ghost of the Illini, Red Grange, scored five touchdowns against Mighty Michigan in Champaign-Urbana.

Illiniwek 39-Maize and Blue 14.......:boogie:
 
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The legendary Four Horsemen game against Army was held at the Polo Grounds, which was across the Harlem River from Yankee Stadium. The Irish have also faced the Black Knights at Ebbets Field in Brooklyn, Shea Stadium in Queens and Giants Stadium in New Jersey.

I just walked along the street where Ebbets Field used to be a few weeks ago. Always like that feeling when you find yourself somewhere randomly/unexpectedly, then it comes up shortly after. Like a quick hit of nostalgia.
 
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With the 5+7 college playoff format starting this season, the highest final playoff ranking that Notre Dame can get is the 6th seed even if they go 12-0 and finish number 1 in the final regular season polls. That's a shame.
I heard it differently

The way I understand it is that, of the 5 conference champions, the top 4 get the first round byes. The 5th is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, but not a seed. They could be anywhere from 5th to 12th. So the Irish could get the 5th seed.

This is not a big deal imo. Everyone seeded above them in that scenario played a CCG, the Irish did not. So the Irish playing an extra round in the playoffs is just moving their extra game from right after the regular season to right before the quarterfinals. And people who know football better than I do seem split on whether that’s an advantage.

I don’t see this affecting them very much.

Now… this new partnership between the Power 2 conferences deciding that none of their members will ever play ND on the other hand…

Disclaimer: I don’t know anything. I’m only saying what I would do if I were them
 
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I heard it differently

The way I understand it is that, of the 5 conference champions, the top 4 get the first round byes. The 5th is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, but not a seed. They could be anywhere from 5th to 12th. So the Irish could get the 5th seed.

This is not a big deal imo. Everyone seeded above them in that scenario played a CCG, the Irish did not. So the Irish playing an extra round in the playoffs is just moving their extra game from right after the regular season to right before the quarterfinals. And people who know football better than I do seem split on whether that’s an advantage.

I don’t see this affecting them very much.

Now… this new partnership between the Power 2 conferences deciding that none of their members will ever play ND on the other hand…

Disclaimer: I don’t know anything. I’m only saying what I would do if I were them
That was the way I understood it - that any "good" season would get them to host a first round playoff game. (It's easy to believe that Notre Dame could get the benefit of being bumped up a spot or two to get into that 5-8 zone where they host the first round.)
Time will tell if this is an advantage for Notre Dame. I think I'd rather see Ohio State go 11-1 (losing to someone they shouldn't), then winning the conference championship game in Indianapolis, and getting the first round bye with a top-4 seed, than go 12-0, and risk a possible first-round upset loss.
 
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