nhl to ko boxing?

[scarletandgrey]

They don't need to ban fighting. All hockey needs is a few more good teams...what i mean by that is go to Detroit and ask them what they would change. It wouldn't be much..they've learned to accept the rules and game play the way it is because they win. You just need a few more sucessfull franchises to gather support around the nation. If the CBJ were kicking ass we would accept the rules more instead of complaining about them.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Blue Jackets Xtra : NHL: A pugilist's nightmare

Blue Jackets defenseman Ole-Kristian Tollefsen lay face up on the ice, his eyes glassy, his head bleeding and trainer Mike Vogt rushing toward him.

During a Dec. 7 fight in Anaheim, Tollefsen was trading punches with Ducks forward Ryan Carter when the defenseman's helmet popped off. As the weary combatants wrestled for leverage, they fell.
Carter landed on top of Tollefsen, who hit the back of his head on the ice. One of the most chilling moments of the Jackets' season produced little more than a gash and a headache.
"I was lucky," Tollefsen said two days later.
He somberly addressed the issue again three weeks later after a Canadian senior hockey player, Don Sanderson, died of a head injury suffered in a fight.
"As soon as I read about it, I thought about what happened to me," Tollefsen said. "I feel so sorry for that man's family and friends."
Sanderson's death and a precipitous increase in fighting since the 2005-06 season have led the NHL to examine the role of fisticuffs in the game. The league's general managers begin three days of meetings today in Naples, Fla., and one topic is fighting.

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[Jake]

The best hockey I've ever watched has been in the Olympics. The larger international ice surface, more room behind the nets, and no slow-footed goons getting in the way make for a much faster game.

Most hockey fights are a waste of time, anyway. Two guys who can barely skate tugging on each others' jerseys until one of them falls down. Once in awhile they actually land a punch.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

you have 4 teams that are any good in the olympics. thats 80 players... take the nba and make four teams and tell me what kind of game youd have then.

the larger ice surface reduces scoring, shots. their is no increase in the "scoring area."

 

[Jake]

you have 4 teams that are any good in the olympics. thats 80 players... take the nba and make four teams and tell me what kind of game youd have then.

I'll do that when you explain the relevance of that counter argument to my initial point, which is the game is better with more room and no goons. The number of good teams/players, to the extent that is even accurate, was never part of my argument.

the larger ice surface reduces scoring, shots. their is no increase in the "scoring area."

I never said anything about "scoring area" so I'm not sure who you are quoting. The larger ice surface allows for more speed, and with no need to carry goons more speed guys play the game.

Defending fighting in hockey makes as much sense as defending it in football. It's a physical game, too. Guys take cheap shots, just like they do in hockey. How about we let guys drop their helmets and fight in football? Wouldn't the fans who like fighting in hockey enjoy that, too?

The only reason it seems to make sense in hockey is because it has always been allowed to happen. The rules could be such to make fighting unattractive. Guys resist fighting in other sports because the punishment deters it. Ejection and suspension aren't worth it. A five minute break in the penalty box is nothing, especially since most hockey fights end up with both guys in the box.

When I want to see fights I'll watch boxing or MMA. When I'm watching hockey, I want to see hockey.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

I'll do that when you explain the relevance of that counter argument to my initial point, which is the game is better with more room and no goons. The number of good teams/players, to the extent that is even accurate, was never part of my argument.



I never said anything about "scoring area" so I'm not sure who you are quoting. The larger ice surface allows for more speed, and with no need to carry goons more speed guys play the game.

Defending fighting in hockey makes as much sense as defending it in football. It's a physical game, too. Guys take cheap shots, just like they do in hockey. How about we let guys drop their helmets and fight in football? Wouldn't the fans who like fighting in hockey enjoy that, too?

The only reason it seems to make sense in hockey is because it has always been allowed to happen. The rules could be such to make fighting unattractive. Guys resist fighting in other sports because the punishment deters it. Ejection and suspension aren't worth it. A five minute break in the penalty box is nothing, especially since most hockey fights end up with both guys in the box.

When I want to see fights I'll watch boxing or MMA. When I'm watching hockey, I want to see hockey.

i didnt address fighting in that response. but on the ice dimensions it is based on reguarly watching wc, wjrc, super series along with the occasional euro league (sel, rsl, khl, etc). you can have the casual fan watch an event (the super series is a perfect example since 4 games were in russia and four iin canada.) the difference of play is evident. the wider ice does not increase the scoring area as noted, it does not encourage more end to end flow. the nhl rink (orginating from the victoria rink-204x80ft) is 200x85ft vs 30x60m (200x98ft). also the size of the "thirds" of ice. nhl the blue line is 64 ft from the end board vs 58ft. did you notice that last year the euro hockey tour used nhl dimensions? or that last year the wc were held on nhl sized ice? or that from 2008-2012 this will hold true for iihf events?

 

[Folanator]

Yes I like the larger rinks.

I like more room behind the net.

I like limiting the holding and hooking from behind.

But to take fighting out of the NHL is stupid. It puts butts in the seats.

As Don Cherry says, "Let 'em fight".

 

[ysubuck]

You also let em fight to keep guys like Steve Ott and Sean Avery in check.
If you are going to play a physical type of hockey then there needs to be a presence there to set some limits.

If someone decides to take a run at Steve Mason or Rick Nash then there is going to be retribution (not that Nash can't take care of himself).

In my opinion fighting also can settle a game down (along with effective referees). If tempers are flaring then Jody Shelley and Derek Boogard drop the gloves and scrap and then everyone gets back to the game.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

ysu no mention of the epic finals bout between vinnie and iginla?

here are tons of quotes from the meetins the last few days from gms, nhlpa, league officials, campbell, etc along with some player thoughts on fighting
NHL.com - NHL Insider: What they're saying - 03/10/2009

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=270621&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_main

The NHL's general managers are hoping to cut down on staged fights.
The GMs would like to see a 10-minute misconduct penalty assessed to players who drop their gloves right after a faceoff.
Referees would also be able to hand out that penalty in other instances where they believe players have engaged in an appointment fight.
The league says that 21.6 per cent of fights this season have occurred immediately after a faceoff.
Another recommendation from the GMs is that the instigator rule be more strictly enforced, particularly when a player starts a fight after a teammate has been bodychecked legally.
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